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November 14, 2017 01:25PM
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wv ram
But where Fisher ranks among the 32 coaches he coached against....is not somethin we all agree on.
I can see decent arguments that Fisher was an ok coach who got derailed by key injuries and clusters of key injuries.
Maybe he was a "Knox" level coach who got derailed. Maybe not. ...

Fwiw, my 'own' personal subjective view (today) is that Fisher was an "ordinary" NFL coach. Not great, not terrible. I think he got derailed by injuries. Or else the Rams woulda been wildcard level. ...

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Is the relative scale of assessment.

I mean, if someone wants to say he was "ordinary" or "OK" ... well, I can't necessarily tilt against that windmill. It's not a very high bar.

I don't see how it leads to an expectation of wildcard-level achievement.

As for the injury deal, I really don't know what to say about that. How does injury explain last year's collapse? How can a good coach be "derailed" by injuries?

Sure. A team's ceiling in a given season can be lowered by injuries. But good coaches keep their teams battling and competing. How do injuries explain the poor preparation and uneven effort levels? How do they explain that NYG game right after the 2 shutouts? The collapses in games in which we held a winning position? I just don't get that.

When I complain about Fisher, I never hold him responsible to a standard that would be affected by injuries. He didn't have to win X numbers of games for me, no matter what the injury count in a given year.

I hold him responsible for the slackness that showed up again and again. I hold him responsible for coaching a team that competed 4-5 times a year and collapsed the rest of the time.

Your comparison to Knox is interesting because of the time factor. Knox was a helluva coach the first time. The 2nd time? I remember hearing say he still had "fire in the belly" in an unconvincing fashion.

At TENN, Fisher was probably a pretty "good" coach.

With us, he began OK in Season 1, and then things slid every year to a lower and lower level. I can't see how anyone could make much of a case that he wasn't just mailing it in last year.

So, perhaps we could agree that he was an "OK" coach who slid from that not very high bar each season. I guess I could live with that.

I will say this. I care about this disagreement for one key reason: I believe that, in football, coaching matters. When people question Fisher's responsibility, the common reasoning used, in my opinion, finds reasons to let the coach off from his fundamental responsibility: to prepare and lead a team to compete with discipline and consistency near its ceiling, whatever that ceiling is, including injuries. I just can't imagine anyone actually perceiving Fisher as having done that.

But, this issue will never be fully resolved, and it's probably reached the stage where I need to move on to avoid obsessively repeating myself.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Goff, Keenum ensure Fisher never works again

CROMWELL211077November 13, 2017 06:50AM

  Yah but he may be a talent evaluator

GreatRamNTheSky463November 13, 2017 06:55AM

  Re: Yah but he may be a talent evaluator Name them

RAMSINCE ARNETT427November 13, 2017 07:06AM

  Fisher

wv ram569November 13, 2017 07:28AM

  Well, not to me

RFL321November 14, 2017 06:24AM

  what do i know

wv ram295November 14, 2017 12:42PM

  What does seem to be complicated ...

RFL427November 14, 2017 01:25PM

  It just doesnt add up to me

wv ram273November 15, 2017 02:45AM

  Re: It just doesnt add up to me

zn285November 15, 2017 03:20AM

  ok

wv ram269November 15, 2017 03:43AM

  Re: ok

zn197November 15, 2017 08:23AM

  Agree on one thing

max277November 15, 2017 04:48AM

  Re: Fisher

RamsFanSinceLA192November 15, 2017 07:20AM

  6 out of 22

wv ram190November 15, 2017 09:07AM

  Re: 6 out of 22

zn189November 15, 2017 09:35AM

  Haslett

wv ram272November 15, 2017 10:20AM

  Re: Haslett

zn254November 15, 2017 02:05PM

  Re: Haslett

Zooey432November 15, 2017 04:39PM

  Joe Gibbs I and II

wv ram174November 15, 2017 05:08PM

  Re: 6 out of 22

RamsFanSinceLA185November 15, 2017 10:10AM

  Re: 6 out of 22

wv ram266November 15, 2017 10:22AM

  Re: 6 out of 22

RamsFanSinceLA274November 15, 2017 12:40PM

  ZN, at least admit Fisher was overpaid NM

six2stack310November 15, 2017 12:53PM

  Here's how I explain the 99 Titans

max272November 15, 2017 01:19PM

  Re: Fisher

zn285November 14, 2017 02:15PM

  Well lets see.......

GreatRamNTheSky509November 13, 2017 07:38AM

  Re: Well lets see.......

CraigMatson327November 13, 2017 07:45AM

  Re: Well lets see.......

GreatRamNTheSky307November 13, 2017 08:11AM

  Hekker was UDFA

stlramz295November 13, 2017 10:43AM

  was it Fisher or Snead

ferragamo79242November 13, 2017 11:49AM

  Re: Well lets see.......

CraigMatson329November 13, 2017 08:34AM

  Re: Well lets see.......

Rams43353November 13, 2017 08:39AM

  Not seeing your point at all

GreatRamNTheSky427November 14, 2017 01:25PM

  Re: Well lets see.......

idaram350November 13, 2017 09:04AM

  Re: Well lets see.......

stlramz273November 13, 2017 10:40AM

  Re: Well lets see.......

RAMSINCE ARNETT285November 13, 2017 11:41AM

  Re: Well lets see.......

no name273November 15, 2017 03:05PM

  Re: The problem with that...

dzrams394November 13, 2017 09:09AM

  Re: Yah but he may be a talent evaluator

no name200November 14, 2017 12:38PM

  Re: Goff, Keenum ensure Fisher never works again

CraigMatson324November 13, 2017 07:03AM

  Not only that, Shurmur is his OC

moklerman299November 13, 2017 07:32AM

  Re: Shurmur was with the Rams under Spags not Fisher nm

Speed_Kills310November 13, 2017 07:36AM

  Gawd, it all blends together into a memory morass...

SunTzu_vs_Camus343November 13, 2017 07:38AM

  yes it does lol nm

Speed_Kills253November 13, 2017 08:29AM

  Re: Shurmur was with the Rams under Spags not Fisher nm

moklerman297November 13, 2017 08:40AM

  Re: Brian Schottenheimer nm

Speed_Kills279November 13, 2017 08:42AM

  Thanks.

moklerman276November 13, 2017 08:49AM

  yes agreed and no worries nm

Speed_Kills214November 13, 2017 10:02AM

  I have no idea why anyone could defend Fisher any longer

RockRam359November 13, 2017 07:18AM

  Re: Wait . . . What?

chico n da rams474November 13, 2017 07:37AM

  Re: Fisher-bigger question

Tony Romas304November 13, 2017 08:28AM

  it's just really not that simplistic

zn433November 13, 2017 09:57AM

  Doesn't hold water

Speedball89305November 13, 2017 12:00PM

  Lol, Shannon Sharpe said he needed to be fired again...

Saguaro281November 14, 2017 12:31PM

  Fisher, Spags, Hazlett...and most other HCs that were defensive-minded

SunTzu_vs_Camus291November 13, 2017 07:31AM

  enh

zn291November 13, 2017 10:11AM

  Re: Yah its never just one thing but

BumRap245November 13, 2017 11:12AM

  Re: Yah its never just one thing but

zn283November 13, 2017 11:54AM

  Re: Yah its never just one thing but

BumRap332November 13, 2017 12:49PM

  Re: Yah its never just one thing but

zn281November 14, 2017 02:24PM

  Enya? ;)

SunTzu_vs_Camus302November 14, 2017 04:56AM

  Fisher was just aweful

six2stack266November 14, 2017 05:10AM

  Re: Fisher was just aweful

MamaRAMa307November 14, 2017 05:23AM

  Re: Enya? ;)

zn641November 14, 2017 01:42PM

  Fisher finished just like he started

joram426November 13, 2017 09:34AM

  I wonder about Vince Young

EternalHorns310November 13, 2017 11:40AM

  Perhaps. But Young's real problem was a lack of maturity.

RockRam269November 13, 2017 12:37PM

  Russell Wilson may have saved Fishers career

Rams_81352November 15, 2017 04:24AM