November 14, 2017 12:42PM | Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 1,325
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Its tough to converse about Fisher, obviously. Tough to evaluate him fairly. ...
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I guess it can be tough to CONVERSE, but I am wholly incapable of seeing how it is difficult to evaluate him.
I think I am in general capable of considering different perspectives on things.
But how anyone could look at his tenure with the Rams and not see mediocrity sliding into slack incompetence ... honestly, I do not get that.
And the injuries excuse ... Man. really? Still?
Can we expect a ring from a team with injuries? Of course not.
But do injuries excuse the exasperating inconsistency of competitive focus and discipline? Really?
Or how about the scores of quotations we have heard from Ram players who are thrilled with the "culture change" from last year? I guess some people don't like the word "culture," but that's the word the players use and their testimony seems pretty damning to me of a coach who was mailing it in by the end.
I dunno. I mean, it doesn't matter and apparently nothing will ever resolve this issue.
But I am utterly bewildered by how anyone can look at the situation and think there is any difficulty in judging Fisher's tenure as a failure. I just can't imagine it and the arguments I've heard make no sense to me.
But what the hell do I know?
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Well, i think we alllllll agree that McV looks 'special'. I 'think' we allllll agree his ceiling is higher than Fishers was.
But where Fisher ranks among the 32 coaches he coached against....is not somethin we all agree on.
I can see decent arguments that Fisher was an ok coach who got derailed by key injuries and clusters of key injuries.
Maybe he was a "Knox" level coach who got derailed. Maybe not.
So i guess we disagree on whether its easy to 'evaluate' him. You think its easy, and i think its tricky, and purty subjective.
Fwiw, my 'own' personal subjective view (today) is that Fisher was an "ordinary" NFL coach. Not great, not terrible. I think he got derailed by injuries. Or else the Rams woulda been wildcard level. I always was a bit skeptical that Fisher could take a team to elite levels consistently. I thought he was a bit like Marty Shottenheimer. (though Marty had more recent success).
But what the hell do i know?
And I'm not invested in it, emotionally. Just a message-board opinion.
PS -- I never would have guessed DV would turn out to be a great coach. I thought he was a bit of an idiot when i first started listening to him back in 97 and 98.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/14/2017 12:46PM by wv ram.
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