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Re: Apples and Oranges

July 08, 2017 04:35AM
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Perhaps if he meant a championship but he doesn't. He's played 3 years for the Rams and done terrific but he has not prevented the Rams from losing.
I say trading him for a bunch of picks might be better for the team in the long run then keeping him.

Grits

Well I am one of those who think their chances of winning are better with Donald than with 2 or 3 other, different players you could get in a trade. Especially since odds are with most teams with most draft picks that you won't hit on all of them.

Rams didn't win with Merlin Olsen for 6 years after drafting him either.

The Steelers didn't win for 3 years with Joe Greene.

And so on.

Merlin Olsen's teams didn't operate under a salary cap either.

Pay Donald and nobody else? Really?

Grits

Yes but the fact that they did not win with Olsen for 6 years addresses one issue you raise, which is that they don't win with Donald. Yes but like Olsen Donald would contribute heavily to a team that was capable of winning. You don't cut stars by blaming the record on them.

As to the cap. It would not be "pay Donald and nobody else." It would be pay Donald and 7-8 others. As a rule teams end up giving around 50% (or a bit more) of their cap to 8-10 players. You can pay Donald and still do that.

The question then becomes, which helps you win...when there is a winning team? 2 players for 10 M or Donald? I say Donald, since he is one of the rarest player types there is in all of football going back decades--an elite DT. (For instance, there are more elite qbs in NFL history than elite DTs.) Why an elite DT? :Because no offense can afford to ignore a player that disruptive who starts out that close to the ball. They have to devote resources to neutralizing him, which means devoting fewer resources to other defenders. And that's not even what makes a DT elite. An elite DT means 2 things: (1) you have to neutralize him every play because he is the closest defender to the ball, to the qb, to the hand-off point in the backfield, etc and that can't be ignored, and (2) he MAKES PLAYS ANYWAY IN SPITE OF THE EXTRA ATTENTION.

I say you win more with that because it makes the rest of the defense better pretty much automatically. So I would rather have one A+ DT for 20 M than 2 10 M A- players who would not have as much of an impact.

PLUS again the Rams could devote 40 M of their cap to both Donald and Goff (assuming Goff develops) and still have enough to add 6-7 more players to their top few who take up 50% or more of the cap.

So IMO it's actually not really a problem.






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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/08/2017 04:40AM by zn.
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  I think giving Aaron Donald all the money he wants is a mistake

GreatRamNTheSky1050July 07, 2017 05:38PM

  Re: I think giving Aaron Donald all the money he wants is a mistake

zn481July 07, 2017 05:48PM

  Apples and Oranges

GreatRamNTheSky333July 08, 2017 04:25AM

  Re: Apples and Oranges

zn446July 08, 2017 04:35AM

  Re: I think giving Aaron Donald all the money he wants is a mistake

Classicalwit320July 07, 2017 06:20PM

  Re: I think giving Aaron Donald all the money he wants is a mistake

GreatRamNTheSky309July 08, 2017 04:27AM

  Re: I think giving Aaron Donald all the money he wants is a mistake

Classicalwit351July 08, 2017 05:39AM

  When you have an mvp level player

alyoshamucci478July 07, 2017 06:23PM

  Re: Why not pay him?

oldschoolramfan328July 07, 2017 06:30PM

  Why not?

RFIP455July 08, 2017 01:46AM

  Pay him and not be able to pay anybody else?

GreatRamNTheSky399July 08, 2017 04:24AM

  Paying Donald like Watt is fine. Paying Tavon like Julio is not. nm

rambleon271July 09, 2017 10:43AM

  Julio $70 mil a tad more then Tavon $40 mil....

Rampage2K-336July 09, 2017 11:12AM

  Fair, I was just using Tavon as an example of our terrible cap management:

rambleon268July 10, 2017 08:18AM

  Re: When you have an mvp level player

Rampage2K-323July 07, 2017 07:21PM

  Suppose Donald doesn't like your offer?

GreatRamNTheSky287July 08, 2017 04:29AM

  The whole point of FA and the draft is to acquire talent.

rambleon281July 10, 2017 08:21AM

  Re: Suppose Donald doesn't like your offer?

Rampage2K-370July 10, 2017 11:50AM

  Re: Suppose Donald doesn't like your offer?

Rams43315July 10, 2017 01:03PM

  Re: When you have an mvp level player

oldmanram351July 08, 2017 06:39AM

  AD is gonna get his big payday...

Rams43347July 07, 2017 09:29PM

  AD is gonna get his big payday: And -Barron-Brockers-Tree?

Anonymous User447July 08, 2017 02:59AM

  Here is a man using logic. Great Post!

GreatRamNTheSky310July 08, 2017 04:33AM

  The "butterfly effect" is a good point you raise, Florida...

Rams43346July 08, 2017 07:12AM

  Only AO is a must sign

LesBaker321July 09, 2017 02:37PM

  Re: Only AO is a must sign

Rams43338July 09, 2017 05:04PM

  having butterfly effects

zn318July 09, 2017 05:54PM

  Re: having butterfly effects

Rams43366July 09, 2017 06:21PM

  Re: having butterfly effects

zn301July 09, 2017 06:38PM

  Re: having butterfly effects

Rams43262July 09, 2017 08:21PM

  Re: having butterfly effects

zn296July 09, 2017 09:09PM

  Re: having butterfly effects

Rams43268July 10, 2017 08:11AM

  Re: having butterfly effects

dzrams290July 10, 2017 07:38AM

  Re: having butterfly effects

Rams43340July 10, 2017 08:17AM

  Re: having butterfly effects

dzrams296July 11, 2017 08:25AM

  Re: having butterfly effects

Rams43302July 11, 2017 08:42AM

  Why would you be concerned? Donald is better than Von Miller nm

rambleon400July 10, 2017 08:22AM

  Re: Why would you be concerned? Donald is better than Von Miller nm

Rams43432July 10, 2017 01:09PM

  You don't find my blind confidence convincing??

rambleon294July 11, 2017 08:56AM

  Lets hope Donald is agreeable to that.

GreatRamNTheSky273July 08, 2017 04:30AM

  Re: Lets hope Donald is agreeable to that.

dzrams286July 08, 2017 05:07PM

  Trade a future Hall of Famer?

RamUK324July 08, 2017 04:56AM

  Re: I think giving Aaron Donald all the money he wants is a mistake

Tony Romas426July 08, 2017 05:15AM

  He's not going anywhere.

RockRam422July 08, 2017 06:49AM

  Re: He's not going anywhere.

Rams43318July 08, 2017 07:16AM

  Yea , he's not going anywhere

IowaRam299July 08, 2017 07:30AM

  Re: Yea , he's not going anywhere

zn455July 10, 2017 08:19PM

  Re: I think giving Aaron Donald all the money he wants is a mistake

reggae528July 09, 2017 02:23PM

  Re: I think giving Aaron Donald all the money he wants is a mistake

Rams43312July 09, 2017 05:51PM

  Re: I think giving Aaron Donald all the money he wants is a mistake

reggae273July 10, 2017 08:47AM

  Re: I think giving Aaron Donald all the money he wants is a mistake

Rams43302July 10, 2017 01:10PM

  what was your point exactly?

reggae274July 10, 2017 08:30PM

  Re: what was your point exactly?

Rams43285July 11, 2017 05:47AM

  Re: I think giving Aaron Donald all the money he wants is a mistake

dzrams282July 11, 2017 08:16AM