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to be fair

July 07, 2017 10:51AM
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To me, "1,000 yards" doesn't make the case either way.

To me, what every team needs is a WR who can regularly make key plays that move the chains and cash in on Red Zone trips. He has to be able beat a variety of defensive schemes and pressures. He has to give his QB an option when the pass rush is getting there and make tough catches. He has to be able to distort defenses by pulling attention, leaving gaps for others.

These things make a difference in games. They sustain possession and capitalize on points opportunities. They open up a variety of other pass and run options.

But all of this can be done relatively quietly. One does not have to be a physical stud overpowering secondaries, breaking the sound barrier, or logging highlight reel flash plays. One doesn't require staggering YAC ability stats or frequent long bomb TDs. One doesn't have to put up huge numbers, especially on a balanced offense with other options.

What one does have to do is to be productive in the medium passing game: 8-20 yards over the LOS. Those are the plays that move chains and really make the difference. They are also the hard plays, as they are generally contested by intact secondaries and require QBs to take on the pass rush. Under pressure a #1 WR has got to be able to get open downfield quickly enough to allow his QB to get rid of the ball.

Then, of course, the guy needs to catch the damn ball. A #1 has to have above average hands. Not necessarily the ability to take the ball away from defenders' hands, but the ability to make catch after catch. To keep DCs up at night trying to work out ways to neutralize the team's play maker.

The WR is generally the one who converts opportunity into actual achievement. He's the one who moves chains, opens up the Red Zone ... and makes a difference.

How do the guys in your list fare on all this? I dunno. I'll leave that question for others.

I didn't say 1000 yarders. Some of the people who disagree with me are saying I said that. What I said was different. [ramsrule.com]

I said as a first step that it has to be someone with both 1000 yards at least AND 70 catches.

That's usually about 20 something guys a year.

I then added step 2. To become that and reach that level of production---which basically about 20 guys a year do--they have to have something else going for them, more than meets the eye. Tenacity, dedication, understanding of the game and defenses, study, desire, ability to constantly refine and work on technique...some of that, or all of that and more.

And it isn't always going to be guys who meet the eyeball test for "difference makers" either. It can be more modest guys who at least have hands, can run routes, are competitive, and understand the game...PLUS more than that, something else extra too.

Think what it takes to catch at least 5 passes per game and get at least 60-70 yards a game, every game, in spite of defenses knowing your offense will be expecting to do that.

Again, that's a lot of considerations to make up what I am calling a #1.

I never said nor would say it's just getting 1000 yards.



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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/07/2017 10:58AM by zn.
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  1000 Yard receivers, are they #1's?...

laram660July 07, 2017 04:50AM

  Re: 1000 Yard receivers, are they #1's?...

RFIP230July 07, 2017 04:54AM

  are they #1's?...

wv ram242July 07, 2017 05:08AM

  #1 is a very bad term...

JamesJM224July 07, 2017 05:25AM

  okie-dokey?

wv ram255July 07, 2017 05:48AM

  Phat?

JamesJM247July 07, 2017 05:56AM

  dog daze

wv ram267July 07, 2017 06:08AM

  Re: Its very simple wv for ME...

laram266July 07, 2017 05:40AM

  show me the... clutchness...

wv ram248July 07, 2017 05:50AM

  That's Mr. Clutch to you!

Crazylegs261July 07, 2017 04:01PM

  Therein lies the issue...

max312July 07, 2017 05:43AM

  just win...

wv ram217July 07, 2017 05:54AM

  Me thinks thou hast nailed it, wv.

max207July 07, 2017 11:53AM

  Yet none of the best passing teams and teans that win a lot and go to the playoffs have a big time WR putting up HUGE numbers

LesBaker264July 07, 2017 05:10PM

  let's look

zn254July 07, 2017 06:48PM

  Re: "Dallas didn't"....

laram212July 08, 2017 06:46AM

  clarifying all this

zn235July 08, 2017 07:28AM

  Re: No...

laram210July 08, 2017 07:47AM

  Re: No...

zn239July 08, 2017 08:04AM

  since I misread let me try again

zn207July 08, 2017 03:40PM

  Re: since I misread let me try again

wv ram235July 09, 2017 06:24AM

  Re: since I misread let me try again

21Dog175July 09, 2017 09:47AM

  for some reason Les likes the Chiefs WRs

Rams_81178July 09, 2017 06:29AM

  Those other guys include two Pro Bowl players that are also All Pro's

LesBaker187July 09, 2017 06:41AM

  Not trying to be confrontational here actually stunned

Rams_81204July 09, 2017 10:40AM

  This chiefs lack of production at WR goes back further

Rams_81244July 09, 2017 12:11PM

  clash of definitions

zn269July 07, 2017 05:37AM

  i will quibble

wv ram287July 07, 2017 06:00AM

  Re: "Thumbs UP"....NM

laram254July 07, 2017 06:05AM

  Re: i will quibble

zn254July 07, 2017 06:11AM

  mixing apples and more apples and mangos

wv ram211July 07, 2017 07:52AM

  Re: mixing apples and more apples and mangos

zn272July 07, 2017 10:43AM

  great discussion, LA!!

SunTzu_vs_Camus209July 07, 2017 06:41AM

  Difference makers

RFL243July 07, 2017 09:32AM

  to be fair

zn286July 07, 2017 10:51AM

  This is the best definition so far on this topic

LesBaker243July 09, 2017 12:19PM

  there are 32 teams

Rams_81210July 07, 2017 11:34AM

  Re: there are 32 teams

zn188July 07, 2017 11:40AM

  I don't think it is 32 #1 WRs

Rams_81205July 07, 2017 01:18PM

  yeah I misread you

zn211July 07, 2017 01:47PM

  I do think 1000 yards is a good yardstick

Rams_81206July 09, 2017 06:22AM

  1000 Yard receivers, are they #1's?... A provoking question

Anonymous User316July 07, 2017 03:17PM

  it is all of that but yardage and 1000 yards is a great accomplishment

Rams_81208July 09, 2017 06:27AM