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Re: "Thumbs UP"....NM

July 07, 2017 06:05AM
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2016 season:

Mike Wallace - 72 recs 1,017yds

Kenny Britt - 68 recs 1,002yds

Tyrel Williams - 69 recs 1,059yds

Terrelle Pryor - 77 recs 1,077yds

Brandin Cooks - 78 recs 1.173yds

Emmanuel Sanders - 79 recs 1,032yds

Pierre Garcon - 79 recs 1,041

Larry Fitzgerald - 107 recs 1,023yds

Doug Baldwin - 94 recs 1,128yds

Golden Tate - 91 recs 1,077yds

Jarvis Landry - 94 recs 1,136yds

Who on this list would you consider a #1 receiver TODAY?

Different game...different criteria.


This is just a simple difference of definitions.

When you say "are these guys #1s?" you are asking "are they elite or special at the level of physical talent?" Or something like that.

My view is, you don't have to be an elite WR to be a #1---a #1 is someone who has enough skill and talent and tenacity to be consistently, reliably productive.

So when you ask "are all these guys #1s" given your own definition, the answer is no.

Given my definition, the answer is yes.

The key for me is steady consistent production, I say 70 catches/1000 yards as a convenient cut-off point to measure that.

The question then becomes, to me anyway, what does a guy need to have and do as a player, mentally as well as physically, to be among the 20 or so WRs in the league with 160-200 or so active receivers who produces at that level at any given year? Because it doesn't just happen. Not every guy can be counted on to come through at that consistent level.

The difference will always get down to our definitions.

For you #1 is elite, a gifted talent who stand above all the others and is capable of dominating.

For me a #1 is any guy, elite or not, who can come through in terms of production. As I put it, most elite WRs are #1s but not every #1 is elite.

So when you present your list, you're basically going, are all these guys truely elite players?

But to me, that list just names the guys, elite or not, who made the standard by being consistently productive week in and out.

So to me yes Woods can become one of those guys...I think it's possible. By my definition of a #1, that is,.

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Thing is, 1000 yards sure seems like it means a lot less than it used to. To me, what yer describing is more like "good, solid WR". So, I dunno why you use the term "No.1" because that usually seems reserved for "elite WRs". Not that it matters. You can define it however you want, obviously.

But it sure seems like your definition of no.1 is equivalent to a "B" level WR. Which is fine.

Do you have a definition for "No.1 RB" ? Just curious.

btw, I kinda assume one of your points is -- you can win with "good solid WRs". You dont 'have' to have an elite guy.

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  1000 Yard receivers, are they #1's?...

laram660July 07, 2017 04:50AM

  Re: 1000 Yard receivers, are they #1's?...

RFIP229July 07, 2017 04:54AM

  are they #1's?...

wv ram242July 07, 2017 05:08AM

  #1 is a very bad term...

JamesJM224July 07, 2017 05:25AM

  okie-dokey?

wv ram255July 07, 2017 05:48AM

  Phat?

JamesJM246July 07, 2017 05:56AM

  dog daze

wv ram266July 07, 2017 06:08AM

  Re: Its very simple wv for ME...

laram265July 07, 2017 05:40AM

  show me the... clutchness...

wv ram247July 07, 2017 05:50AM

  That's Mr. Clutch to you!

Crazylegs261July 07, 2017 04:01PM

  Therein lies the issue...

max312July 07, 2017 05:43AM

  just win...

wv ram217July 07, 2017 05:54AM

  Me thinks thou hast nailed it, wv.

max207July 07, 2017 11:53AM

  Yet none of the best passing teams and teans that win a lot and go to the playoffs have a big time WR putting up HUGE numbers

LesBaker264July 07, 2017 05:10PM

  let's look

zn253July 07, 2017 06:48PM

  Re: "Dallas didn't"....

laram212July 08, 2017 06:46AM

  clarifying all this

zn234July 08, 2017 07:28AM

  Re: No...

laram210July 08, 2017 07:47AM

  Re: No...

zn239July 08, 2017 08:04AM

  since I misread let me try again

zn207July 08, 2017 03:40PM

  Re: since I misread let me try again

wv ram235July 09, 2017 06:24AM

  Re: since I misread let me try again

21Dog175July 09, 2017 09:47AM

  for some reason Les likes the Chiefs WRs

Rams_81178July 09, 2017 06:29AM

  Those other guys include two Pro Bowl players that are also All Pro's

LesBaker187July 09, 2017 06:41AM

  Not trying to be confrontational here actually stunned

Rams_81204July 09, 2017 10:40AM

  This chiefs lack of production at WR goes back further

Rams_81243July 09, 2017 12:11PM

  clash of definitions

zn269July 07, 2017 05:37AM

  i will quibble

wv ram287July 07, 2017 06:00AM

  Re: "Thumbs UP"....NM

laram253July 07, 2017 06:05AM

  Re: i will quibble

zn254July 07, 2017 06:11AM

  mixing apples and more apples and mangos

wv ram211July 07, 2017 07:52AM

  Re: mixing apples and more apples and mangos

zn272July 07, 2017 10:43AM

  great discussion, LA!!

SunTzu_vs_Camus209July 07, 2017 06:41AM

  Difference makers

RFL242July 07, 2017 09:32AM

  to be fair

zn286July 07, 2017 10:51AM

  This is the best definition so far on this topic

LesBaker243July 09, 2017 12:19PM

  there are 32 teams

Rams_81210July 07, 2017 11:34AM

  Re: there are 32 teams

zn187July 07, 2017 11:40AM

  I don't think it is 32 #1 WRs

Rams_81204July 07, 2017 01:18PM

  yeah I misread you

zn211July 07, 2017 01:47PM

  I do think 1000 yards is a good yardstick

Rams_81206July 09, 2017 06:22AM

  1000 Yard receivers, are they #1's?... A provoking question

Anonymous User315July 07, 2017 03:17PM

  it is all of that but yardage and 1000 yards is a great accomplishment

Rams_81208July 09, 2017 06:27AM