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Re: You have any facts? ….. Detailed analysis below (long)…

April 25, 2017 08:49AM
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RockRam
Snead saying he likes the mid rounds gives me no comfort and I'm not sure why it does to you.
He certainly has had little success there. Why should he now?

You say Snead’s not done well in the mid-rounds. I say he’s done quite well. Let’s explore…

2nd and 3rd round picks (2012-2015):

Quick - miss
Pead - miss
Jenkins - hit
Tru Johnson - hit

TJ McDonald - hit
Bailey - miss

Joyner - hit
Mason - miss

Havenstein - hit
Brown – leaning miss
Mannion – miss. Even though this one is a bit unfair. He was drafted to be a backup QB. By definition, that’s gonna almost always be a miss.

2nd and 3rd round totals:

5 2nd round picks, 3 hits for a 60% hit rate. 6 3rd round picks, 2 hits for a 33% hit rate.

I’m not sure how much blame should be placed on Snead for the Bailey and Mason misses. At any rate, 33% surpasses the 25-30% hit rate I’ve seen published from various studies.

Based on Casserly’s study, from the 11 2nd and 3rd round picks between 2012-2015, Snead should have hit on 4.3 players - i.e. a 39% hit rate – when you weight for number of picks in each round.

(For the mathematically inclined, that number is obtained as follows: 50% of 5 2nd round picks = 2.5 hits; 30% of 6 3rd round picks = 1.8 players. Total = 2.5+1.8 = 4.3; 4.3 players / 11 picks = 39%.)

Snead hit on 5 players or 45%. Moreover, out of those 5 hits, he’s gotten two or three that are high quality starters, not just average starters.

I’ve seen research stating that a high quality starter hit rate is 50% for the 1st round and 25% for the 2nd round. Presumably even lower for round 3. IOW, in the 1st round, for every average starter considered a “hit”, only half of those are above average starters. In the 2nd round, only one of four “hits” is above average.

Here, out of Snead’s 5 hits, at least two, and arguably three are above average. Going by league average, he should have had only one high quality starter in those 11 picks.

Conclusion: He’s been above average in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.


4th – 6th round analysis (2012-2016):

There have been 12 picks total between 2012 and 2016. I count 3 hits: Zuerlein, Gaines, and Alexander. Some count Donnal and Wichman because they contribute which is at the very least meeting expectations for late round draftees. Being conservative, I’m not counting them even though they have contributed some.

3 out of 12 hits is a 25% success rate. That’s closer to what you should expect in the 3rd round. Weighting for number of picks in each round, they should have had 2.05 hits (or 17%) out of the 12 total picks to meet league average.

Conclusion: He’s been above average in the 4th through 6th rounds by hitting on one extra player. Moreover, Alexander is a high quality starter which further cements that he's done well at this level of the draft. He should actually have ZERO high quality starters in these rounds.


UDFA’s(2012-2016):

Don’t have time to look for the link again, but in Snead’s tenure, the Rams have consistently been at the top of the league in number of UDFAs who have contributed or still on the roster.



Sooooo…what facts do you have to say that he’s not done well?
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Should we believe that Higbee, Spruce, Cooper and Thomas will step it up?

RockRam1069April 24, 2017 12:11PM

  Re: Should we believe that Higbee, Spruce, Cooper and Thomas will step it up?

Tony Romas409April 24, 2017 12:21PM

  the simple asnwer is no.

PHDram344April 24, 2017 12:22PM

  Maybe one of them....

max394April 24, 2017 12:24PM

  2 of 4 would be a major plus

LMU93382April 24, 2017 12:45PM

  that would be a major miracle. nm

max274April 24, 2017 12:47PM

  the post-2012 Rams record in rounds 4-6

zn259April 24, 2017 05:58PM

  Re: the post-2012 Rams record in rounds 4-6

LMU93199April 25, 2017 02:55AM

  Re: the post-2012 Rams record in rounds 4-6

max211April 25, 2017 03:03AM

  Re: the post-2012 Rams record in rounds 4-6

Rams43220April 25, 2017 05:54AM

  Re: the post-2012 Rams record in rounds 4-6

zn380April 25, 2017 04:19AM

  LOL...great pic, zn!!

SunTzu_vs_Camus406April 25, 2017 05:24AM

  Re: Should we believe that Higbee, Spruce, Cooper and Thomas will step it up?

dzrams372April 24, 2017 01:10PM

  granted but it could be both

zn254April 24, 2017 07:46PM

  Re: granted but it could be both

dzrams473April 24, 2017 08:31PM

  Re: granted but it could be both

Classicalwit309April 25, 2017 03:39AM

  Free agent?

Atlantic Ram289April 24, 2017 01:41PM

  OK. I agree with most responses: 1 maybe.....perhaps 2. So....

RockRam493April 24, 2017 01:53PM

  Re: OK. I agree with most responses: 1 maybe.....perhaps 2. So....

Rams43238April 24, 2017 02:09PM

  Snead has not done well in the mid rounds

RockRam312April 25, 2017 01:45AM

  Re: Snead has not done well in the mid rounds

Rams43430April 25, 2017 06:12AM

  Re: You have any facts? ….. Detailed analysis below (long)…

dzrams326April 25, 2017 08:49AM

  That's good work! (nm)

RockRam202April 25, 2017 09:17AM

  Re: You have any facts? ….. Detailed analysis below (long)…

Rams43290April 25, 2017 09:24AM

  Re: What is your definition of *hit*?

laram316April 25, 2017 09:29AM

  Re: What is your definition of *hit*?

dzrams272April 25, 2017 09:48AM

  Re: Roster rebuild vs roster depth...

laram285April 25, 2017 10:00AM

  Re: Roster rebuild vs roster depth...

dzrams244April 25, 2017 10:06AM

  Re: Not surprising...

laram305April 25, 2017 10:10AM

  Re: Not surprising...

dzrams292April 25, 2017 10:29AM

  Re: Not surprising...

AlbaNY_Ram408April 25, 2017 11:54AM

  And there it is: so much of this is relative.

RockRam321April 25, 2017 09:57AM

  Re: And there it is: so much of this is relative.

dzrams288April 25, 2017 10:19AM

  Re: OK. I agree with most responses: 1 maybe.....perhaps 2. So....

dzrams317April 24, 2017 03:14PM

  Not sure Thomas makes the team

ferragamo79325April 24, 2017 03:33PM

  That's alot to count on. 28 catches between the 4

TonyHunter87302April 24, 2017 05:30PM

  Why is Spruce in that question?

JamesJM381April 24, 2017 05:38PM

  Spruce

wv ram290April 25, 2017 02:59AM

  Re: Spruce

max353April 25, 2017 03:05AM

  Re: Should we believe that Higbee, Spruce, Cooper and Thomas will step it up?

Classicalwit319April 25, 2017 03:02AM

  No

Speed_Kills308April 25, 2017 05:28AM

  Re: Should we believe that Higbee, Spruce, Cooper and Thomas will step it up?

reggae391April 25, 2017 02:04PM