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Snead has technical final say but then he acts by consensus, since his purpose, as he sees it, is to get players who fit what their coaches do.
So he's not a real Overlord Type GM.
McVay said Snead had final say. That's not in question. So to say it's not quite true is itself not quite true.
Snead also said the same thing. He point blank said he had final accountability.
I'm trying to understand your point. Don't all GM's try to get players that fit what their coaches do? Please expound more on the distinction that you're making.
That's not quite true.
"Final say" is itself a weird term. The Rams method is to do all the hashing and debating etc. when they rank their board. Saying someone has "final say" isnt quite accurate, even if it's a coach saying it for all the right diplomatic reasons.
They then stick to the board, within limits (often having say a few eligible picks according to the board when it's their turn).
So, truth is, it;s a consensus mode. Built around a GM who sees his job as getting the coaches the kinds of players they want.
I was right to stress this isn't an Overlord GM model. It's the same thing they had with Fisher, though then, technically, Fisher had final say, and now, technically, Snead---being the more experienced guy---does. But with a consensus model like the Rams use, "final say" just does not have this heavy fast hard meaning to it.
Pointless semantics wrangling aside, that's the main point. This is not a top-down, overlord GM is in charge type model. Consensus is the order of the day and in circumstances like that, "final say" is just not quite the right term. More like he's the chair of a committee full of proactive members.
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You've eloquently built up a straw man my friend and then have brilliantly torn it down. No one said there was an Overlord GM model in place. There was no debate on that.
Someone said that McVay is "The Guy" and Rock stated in response that McVay has acknowledged that Snead has final say. He simply provided evidence from a critical source that McVay isn't "The Guy".
A final say model doesn't preclude a collaborative process. It's a model where they build consensus with Snead having ultimate accountability and final say when that's required. Pretty simple.
In other words, we agree they work in a consensus model, that there is no "overlord" style GM, and that terms like "final say" do not have the same kind of dramatic meaning in this context it might in others.
Nice working with you. Glad we arrived at seeing it all pretty much the same way. It's very different from the kind of minutia-driven, highly personal petty bickering you see here sometimes.
If you want you can have final say.
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