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How I hear Ram Rock

October 04, 2016 03:35PM
I thought several of the comments in the thread missed what RR was saying. Which, BTW, I agree with ... if I am hearing him accurately.

For example, I don't think he is going to quit on the season if they don't win Sunday. He doesn't appear to me to be making any prediction at all, including a prediction on the consequences of losing this game.

The question we face NOW is how to assess what the Rams have done through 4 games. Beyond question, it is positive. It is more positive than they have shown in well over a decade. AND, it puts us in a position where continuing trends could put us in the playoffs. That's all very good.

The question, however, looms: have they showed the qualities of a team ready to take that step? And, I think, the answer here is mixed.

There is a difference after all between a team that gets hot for a few nail-biting wins and a team that is manifestly a contender. And, no, I am not disparaging defense-oriented teams. We have all seen hundreds of hot teams turn cold and fade. Remember the Rams' first year in STL? I believe they went 4-0. And then they regressed to who they were.

This, indeed, is what "regression to the mean" designates in statistics. Aberrations and anomalies occur. Over time, however, the pull of the mean is pretty strong. So, what are we seeing? A team that got hot? Or a team learning to contend?

Now, when I read RR, I relate to it as a fan. What the hell do I know? Not a damn thing. But I've been heart broken by this team all but 1 year since 19 freaking 68. Like RR, I face a decision. Do I get pumped up and start to believe? Or do I welcome incremental progress without getting excited, expecting the hot streak to fade?

See, that decision is mine and mine alone. It has to do with my personality, with what works for me. Some fans love to get worked up and embrace the excitement, even facing the prospect of having their heart broken again. Guys like me, and probably RR, make a different choice. I hate the crash that comes when unrealistic expectations meet reality. I'd rather protect my emotions by remaining skeptical until I see good reason to start risking my hopes. I can't be sure that's what RR is saying, but when I read his post, that's what I resonate with.

So, where do we stand? Well, in a better place than last year or the year before. But does it justify--drawing on current evidence--expectations of a breakthrough?

Well, many of us on the board here feel that current evidence has not yet addressed certain key issues. I'll mention 2, and neither involves the offense. This is NOT about demanding high octane point production.

First, there is the question of our defense. Is it elite? Many feel it is, but I would remind everyone that, once again, we have a defense that plays at elite levels for stretches of time but also breaks down. In SF, the offense started out OK, but then the defense began giving up the middle to a scrambler and allowed 2 TDs in the 1st half. The fragile O then collapsed. Against TB, it gave up 400 yards of passing.

Does an elite defense do that? I say it doesn't. To me, this is the same pattern we've seen year after year. An immensely talented defense that too bloody often surrenders the run, concedes first downs, and SOME GAMES yields points. The result is mediocre stats.

Want to "win ugly" with defense? Well, your defense better play consistently better than ours has so far. Of course, we're only 4 games in. But the pattern thus far is the same as when we booked 2 consecutive shut outs and then collapsed against the mighty G-Man offense. To hope for more than a .500 record (which would be an improvement) I need to see a defense that plays tough 3, 4, 5 games in a row and gets its stats into the elite range. No defense is elite with the stats we're recording. (Hell, you can't even blame the offense for failing to produce in the TB game!) And that isn't enough to "win ugly" 9-10 times in a season.

And then there's Fisher. Many observers on this board have seen him blunder and laze and stumble about for 4 years. We've seen him fail to prepare his team for Game 1 and for almost every really big game we've had. He has a bleeding TRACK RECORD of lame performance. To get my hopes up ... I need to see him show a trend of competence over 4, 5, 6 games. Game preparations. A team playing 4 quarters. Reducing silly mistakes. In-game adjustments. Competitive discipline. Want to "win ugly"? You better do those things. You'd better be a team that refuses to beat itself.

Have we seen this? Surely not in SF. I'll let you guys who have watched and studied the games say more on the later games. But, I don't hear much that tells me Fisher is raising his game as a coach. Before I get excited, I have to see him out-coaching or at least coaching level with his opposition time after time.

Now, see, we have seen his teams for 4 years. It takes more than a hot start to offset that, especially when, even during wins, the same old patterns seem to be there. I think it was Max who asked, how many shock wins will it take before I believe? For me, the answer is, quite a few. Half a season at least.

But, remember, this is just me, and probably a number of other posters. Some of you want to get on the bandwagon? Hey! Enjoy every minute of it. I'm not making any predictions here. I'm just testifying to my sense of where the losing patterns have been and telling you what I need to see work out on the field before ... I start to believe. That's all this is about. And perhaps that's all RR was writing.

I'm a crusty old curmudgeon of a Ram fan who has never lived in a city where their games are on TV much. They've broken my heart again and again and again. It takes something real, extended over at least half a season, probably more, before I start to believe. But remember--I'll always love this sorry team, and if my Ram brothers enjoy a hot streak, well, that actually makes me smile.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  For me, Sunday is the moment of truth

RockRam982October 04, 2016 07:32AM

  not for me

wv ram435October 04, 2016 07:45AM

  You're a wild man...

JamesJM791October 04, 2016 08:20AM

  I like blowout victories

Atlantic Ram427October 04, 2016 09:38AM

  Ugly wins.. it depends...

JamesJM547October 04, 2016 09:48AM

  No such thing as ugly WINS, only ugly losses - nm

CeeZar494October 04, 2016 11:42AM

  Only if you think...

JamesJM379October 04, 2016 11:49AM

  All wins are beautiful and wonderful :)

CeeZar479October 04, 2016 01:07PM

  It would be nice...

NewMexicoRam463October 04, 2016 12:05PM

  Elvis...

wv ram452October 04, 2016 11:40AM

  Re: Elvis...Ram connection

21Dog419October 04, 2016 11:59AM

  Elvis, the peacock

wv ram347October 04, 2016 12:16PM

  Re: Elvis...Ram connection

bigjimram21540October 04, 2016 09:03PM

  Re: For me, Sunday is the moment of truth

Rams43429October 04, 2016 07:48AM

  The Bills are freaken 2-2 ane the Rams 3-1 yet the Bills are more legit? How so?

GreatRamNTheSky381October 04, 2016 09:07AM

  Re: The Bills are freaken 2-2 ane the Rams 3-1 yet the Bills are more legit? How so?

Rams43449October 04, 2016 09:17AM

  Who is winning the game?

GreatRamNTheSky425October 04, 2016 11:02AM

  Re: agreed

Speed_Kills439October 04, 2016 08:10AM

  I agree Rock..

PaulButcher59539October 04, 2016 08:18AM

  So if they lose then your done with the season?

GreatRamNTheSky436October 04, 2016 09:02AM

  then your done with the season? Great Post GRamNTSky

Anonymous User333October 04, 2016 02:19PM

  Re: then your done with the season? Great Post GRamNTSky

bigjimram21452October 04, 2016 09:19PM

  Re: So if they lose then your done with the season?

PSJRam571October 04, 2016 03:36PM

  Too late, the bandwagon is already full....

Rampage2K-378October 04, 2016 09:21AM

  Exactly

GreatRamNTheSky394October 04, 2016 11:06AM

  I don't think it's "negativity" to not trust the Rams

RockRam416October 04, 2016 12:05PM

  3-1. beat 2 Super Bowl Contenders and you can't believe

GreatRamNTheSky450October 04, 2016 01:18PM

  Re: i don't think any of what you said is accurate or fair

Speed_Kills391October 04, 2016 01:37PM

  Overall I agree but don't sell the Bills short

LesBaker444October 04, 2016 02:11PM

  Re: Overall I agree but don't sell the Bills short

CraigMatson407October 04, 2016 02:38PM

  If I was setting the over/under

LesBaker361October 04, 2016 03:27PM

  Here is something I heard about Fisher teams

GreatRamNTheSky382October 04, 2016 01:26PM

  Re: Here is something I heard about Fisher teams

zn355October 04, 2016 11:24PM

  Re: Love it....Already fired up!!!!

oldschoolramfan249October 05, 2016 05:25AM

  Is it okay to be positive, even if the Rams went 1-3?

ArizonaRamFan355October 04, 2016 03:01PM

  Rams are 3-1 its reality

GreatRamNTheSky375October 04, 2016 10:43PM

  negativity=..........

21Dog310October 05, 2016 05:37AM

  I think different fans just have different confidence levels/triggers.

Saguaro381October 05, 2016 07:28AM

  Nobody's demanding an end to positivity

ArizonaRamFan318October 05, 2016 08:03AM

  Re: Nobody's demanding an end to positivity

zn330October 05, 2016 08:15AM

  Re: Rams are 3-1 its reality

Rams43327October 05, 2016 08:14AM

  How I hear Ram Rock

RFL444October 04, 2016 03:35PM

  Amen. On whose side is history?

ArizonaRamFan563October 04, 2016 03:45PM

  some of us don't believe it has to change

zn399October 04, 2016 08:23PM

  Agreed

GreatRamNTheSky354October 04, 2016 10:48PM

  Re: Agreed

Rams43459October 05, 2016 08:35AM

  IF is a very big word

RockRam382October 05, 2016 12:52AM

  Re: IF is a very big word

zn399October 05, 2016 04:56AM

  Re: Amen. On whose side is history?

GreatRamNTheSky345October 04, 2016 10:52PM

  Re: Amen. On whose side is history?

Rams43427October 05, 2016 08:59AM

  Re: For me, Sunday is the moment of truth

bigjimram21371October 04, 2016 08:53PM

  Re: Sunday.....Rams biggest game in years!!!!!!

oldschoolramfan330October 05, 2016 05:39AM