January 16, 2024 02:01AM
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Rampage2K-
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Speed_Kills
21-17 2 full quarters left... Rams defense holds the Lions to 3 points

I'm not following this one

of course you aren't...it's only ok to criticize McVay if it was up to you lol3


Three stright 75 yard TD drives to start the game

Goff was 22-22 without pressure

Goff was 0-5 under pressure


It isn't rocket science.... shouldnt have taken three straight 75 yard TD drives to figure it out.

Props for figuring things out at half time, but it would have been nice if it was a little earlier....that is all

McVay had his own issues, but let's not pretend that the first half defense wasn't an issue

1. It's true that Lions had Rams defense on their heels the first half.
2. On the 22 completes on some of them there was pressure attempted, and yes, in the first half. Sometimes you blitz and it doesn't get the pressure you want. Other times you get pressure from your front without blitzing.

Example.

In the first half Rams got pressure on Goff and he fumbled. But it wasn't a blitz, it was a bootleg, but Young stayed home and Donald sniffed it out ... there was no one open and Goff got sacks and did that fumble that Lions.

Next play, 2nd and 25. Rams blitz both LBers and they get pressure but it is a screen and it is completed for 10 yards -- in that case it was sniffed out. There was pressure but Goff got it off. So, Rams blitz and in whoever you are getting information from says no pressure. Okay fine ... let's say it is accurate does it tell the complete story?

third play, Rams show pressure and are in press coverage, Lions run rou routes and Lake and Yeast collide and Spoon --- playing press does not get a good jam, in fact, the WR jams him and creates separation.

So, yeah you could say Jones shouldn't have faked, he should have been told to blitz ... but Rams had blitzed the previous play so would he have gotten there? I don't know.

nexy 3rd down, 2 plays later Jones blitzes ... and Hoecht gets pressure and it's incomplete. This is in the first half. Next play Jones is showing pressure and it's the one their LT moved his hand to try and draw Jones off.

Punt.

All that was in the first half.

Rams blitzed or showed simulated blitz on all passing situations. They just didn't work until late in half. In the first half Lions were not even getting into 3rd downs. They were using a lot of 12 personnel and passing from that ... 1st and 10, you don't blitz. 2nd and three you don't blitz. So these passes were not going to be blitzed by even Brian Flores.

Then the exact same pattern occurred in 2nd half, only the pressures got there.

Also, curious, where does that number come from? It does not match with the film I've watched a few times now. Not saying it is way, way off. I am sure whoever did it was following their own protocols. But PFF has 12 hits/hurries by the Rams. Also official gamebook shows 6 QB hits ... so there is some differences in those numbers and I don't know who is the accurate ones.

I get the frustration and it does appear that there was more aggressiveness in the 2nd half, but when you look at it, there really wasn't. Rather than taking a big swing and missing -- that is what happened in first half, the Rams swung and hit a few in 2nd half.

The blame of the defense was bad tackling and allowing explosive plays. Reynolds had 2 explosives in the first 2 drives.

I would like to see where you got those numbers though. I am curious about these kinds of things where the are official gamebooks having one number, PFF with another and I guess whoever put out that info about only 5 plays with pressure ...

I don't think there was any change of strategy in 2nd half. It was executed better and in all cases there were only 9 plays (3rd downs of 4 or more yards, plus the 4th and 5 and the 2nd and 25) that were even blitzable.

The OL of Lions is good and Rams didn't get enough pressure.

Anyway, I appreciate the take, but I wanted to give some more information based on watching this danged game 3 times so far.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Morris waited way too long to bring the pressure

Rampage2K-470January 15, 2024 10:30AM

  Re: Morris waited way too long to bring the pressure

The_Zone98January 15, 2024 10:32AM

  Re: Morris waited way too long to bring the pressure

BerendsenRam111January 15, 2024 10:36AM

  Rams the same in 1st half as 2nd ... Jones didn't make the plays i

JimYoungblood53142January 15, 2024 11:10AM

  Re: Rams the same in 1st half as 2nd ... Jones didn't make the plays i

ramBRO79January 15, 2024 12:01PM

  Re: Rams the same in 1st half as 2nd ... Jones didn't make the plays i

JimYoungblood5396January 15, 2024 12:05PM

  Re: Morris waited way too long to bring the pressure

LaDoc80January 15, 2024 12:22PM

  It's amazing because pretty much everyone on this board knew..

sstrams100January 15, 2024 01:05PM

  Re: It's amazing because pretty much everyone on this board knew..

BerendsenRam71January 15, 2024 04:43PM

  You do realize

RamsDynasty79January 15, 2024 04:53PM

  Re: You do realize

sfbayram57January 16, 2024 11:28PM

  Re: You do realize

six2stack47January 17, 2024 01:03AM

  There were no 3rd downs to blitz. All first or 2nd downs

JimYoungblood5335January 17, 2024 10:19AM

  hmm this is an interesting take

Speed_Kills86January 15, 2024 05:02PM

  Re: hmm this is an interesting take

JimYoungblood53100January 15, 2024 07:44PM

  Regardless, they walked all over us in the first half. Yes, they held them to three in the second.

Ramgator63January 16, 2024 01:20AM

  thanks for that

Speed_Kills56January 16, 2024 01:50AM

  Re: thanks for that

stlramz54January 16, 2024 12:42PM

  yeah I didn't want to bug you

Speed_Kills51January 16, 2024 12:59PM

  UR Welcome

JimYoungblood5340January 16, 2024 12:52PM

  Re: hmm this is an interesting take

Rampage2K-64January 16, 2024 01:07AM

  It's a little more complicated than that.

JimYoungblood5368January 16, 2024 02:01AM

  nice response

Speed_Kills53January 16, 2024 02:20AM

  Re: It's a little more complicated than that.

Rampage2K-46January 16, 2024 09:46AM

  Okay, so it was ESPN Sports and Informaiton, appreciate that

JimYoungblood5339January 16, 2024 02:03PM

  Re: hmm this is an interesting take

Speed_Kills67January 16, 2024 02:13AM

  Re: hmm this is an interesting take

Rampage2K-57January 16, 2024 09:24AM

  Re: hmm this is an interesting take

Speed_Kills55January 16, 2024 12:34PM

  Re: hmm this is an interesting take

JimYoungblood5343January 16, 2024 02:04PM

  Re: hmm this is an interesting take

JimYoungblood5346January 16, 2024 02:12PM

  so for me

Speed_Kills65January 16, 2024 02:38PM

  I get it. I don't think either offesne or defense played a COMPELTE game

JimYoungblood5352January 16, 2024 03:02PM

  yup understood!!

Speed_Kills50January 16, 2024 03:49PM

  One think can be said is Special teams DID play a good game

JimYoungblood5364January 16, 2024 06:26PM

  Re: yup and in all of our losses

Speed_Kills46January 17, 2024 04:22AM

  IMO

LesBaker69January 16, 2024 09:56AM

  Re: IMO

Rampage2K-62January 16, 2024 10:02AM

  Re: IMO

Speed_Kills50January 16, 2024 01:09PM

  Re: Morris waited way too long to bring the pressure

six2stack92January 15, 2024 05:02PM

  Re: Morris waited way too long to bring the pressure

RamsDynasty82January 15, 2024 05:08PM

  I mean...

Speed_Kills72January 15, 2024 05:11PM

  Re: I mean... Attachments

JimYoungblood53102January 15, 2024 07:51PM

  Re: I mean...

h2omelonhead47January 17, 2024 10:49AM

  It still would have been in plenty of time

dodgerram57January 16, 2024 01:12AM

  I AGREE ---- Morris waited way too long to bring the pressure

nantucketramfan58January 16, 2024 02:13AM

  Re: Part of the problem?

mtramfan87January 16, 2024 01:22PM

  That is what I am getting at

JimYoungblood5386January 16, 2024 02:19PM

  adjustments

21Dog71January 16, 2024 03:47PM

  Agree with that take.

JimYoungblood5363January 16, 2024 06:24PM