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Re: I still consider my knowledge of Warner....

May 21, 2023 11:04AM
Warner went to a so-so New York Giants team after being railroaded by Martz. The Giants story is largely untold. What we read is that he was replaced midseason by Eli because, supposedly, Warner was all washed up, and stunk.

I videotaped a Giants game against the Packers and Brett Favre until the game was switched off by the network. I wish I could post it because it shows clearly that Kurt still had it! I forget Kurt's final stats for the game - but the game when the nework switched it off was lopsided. Kurt was slicing and dicing the Packers pass D - at the time one of the best in the league. He delivered, and elevated the Giants to playing playoff-level football before OL and WR injuries knocked the wheels off, two games before Eli took over to all but lose out the season.

Kurt was in a totally different system than he had in St. Louis. He took over the same so-so team that the Giants had fielded for years. He quickly mastered Coughlin's conservative system and brought out the best in his teammates - wideouts told how they had to adjust to the fact that while they were making their cuts the ball was already on the way, and would be there when they turned. His reads were, as they had been in St. Louis, uncanny.

The same attributes that let him elevate the Rams offense to a level above what Trent Green gave it also elevated the Giants to greater heights than Kerry Collins or Jason Garrett could deliver. And the team had to be rebuilt on the fly to rescue Eli Manning. They got a WR with the catch radius of a radar dish in Plaxico Burris. That helped Eli's - accuracy, I guess we have to call it.The Oline recovered. There were new additions.

The reconstituted Giants won to the Super Bowl in 2012. By then Kurt had taken another so-so team, the hapless Arizona Cardinals (earlier the St.Louis Cardinals) to the Super Bowl, and had them ahead when he left the game in the final minutes.

Three teams, four different systems (Martz, Green, Wizenhunt, Coughlin) and Kurt had all of them playing championship-level ball. Given that it takes system, coach, and players to make a winning team, I think the notion that the Martz system made Warner is less true than that Warner made the Martz system.

The success of all those teams, when Warner was their QB, is largely attributable to him.
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  Bennett using #13, should it be retired?

Ramsdude355May 20, 2023 01:36PM

  To me, Warner wasn't with the rams long enough

Ram4life60May 20, 2023 01:51PM

  Great point!

Ramsdude65May 20, 2023 01:59PM

  Warners tenure was actually longer than Dickerson

Ram4life50May 20, 2023 02:03PM

  So what is this difference?

Ramsdude62May 20, 2023 02:49PM

  Re: So what is this difference?

Ram4life51May 20, 2023 03:12PM

  Re: So what is this difference?

waterfield63May 20, 2023 06:55PM

  Re: So what is this difference?

Ram4life50May 20, 2023 07:39PM

  Re: Great point!

MamaRAMa77May 20, 2023 02:57PM

  Thanks for that info MamaRAMa

Ramsdude47May 20, 2023 03:03PM

  Re: Great point!

JimYoungblood5345May 20, 2023 03:34PM

  Re: Great point!

MamaRAMa47May 20, 2023 03:36PM

  2009 BleacherReport article explains

MamaRAMa48May 20, 2023 03:44PM

  Re: 2009 BleacherReport article explains

mtramfan92May 20, 2023 05:38PM

  IMO....NO number should be retired.

Ramgator111May 20, 2023 04:02PM

  +1 but....

Arkansas Ram48May 20, 2023 06:13PM

  Re: +1 but....

303090May 20, 2023 08:19PM

  Re: This ^ ^ ^

mtramfan40May 20, 2023 08:28PM

  Agreed, and I think it's cool to see players wear a number with great history

merlin36May 21, 2023 08:08AM

  Did he go in the HOF a Ram

Stafford942May 20, 2023 04:52PM

  Football - you don't go in as a team guy, only as a player

JimYoungblood5354May 20, 2023 05:12PM

  Pro football players don't go into the HOF......

21Dog53May 20, 2023 05:13PM

  I made that mistake too with Warner

den-the-coach31May 21, 2023 04:37AM

  Agreed den

Ramsdude42May 21, 2023 04:44AM

  Understand Somewhat

den-the-coach37May 21, 2023 04:52AM

  Exactly

Ramsdude31May 21, 2023 04:59AM

  Bennett in his Rams uniform Attachments

IowaRam101May 21, 2023 04:53AM

  Nice!!!

Ramsdude38May 21, 2023 05:02AM

  Re: We can get over it...

mtramfan35May 21, 2023 08:00AM

  Would Warner want to be honored?

Ramsdude40May 21, 2023 08:20AM

  YES!

Crazylegs62May 21, 2023 07:57AM

  One of those great questions

JimYoungblood5344May 21, 2023 08:26AM

  With all due respect to Martz....

JamesJM40May 21, 2023 08:29AM

  Fair enough, he was great in Arena and NFL Europe

JimYoungblood5333May 21, 2023 08:34AM

  I still consider my knowledge of Warner....

JamesJM37May 21, 2023 08:49AM

  Re: I still consider my knowledge of Warner....

Ramsdude26May 21, 2023 09:03AM

  My expectations going in to '99

JamesJM26May 21, 2023 09:16AM

  Your knowledge must have eased your mind some

Ramsdude25May 21, 2023 09:26AM

  You were far ahead of me on that

JimYoungblood5325May 21, 2023 09:13AM

  Completely accidental....

JamesJM33May 21, 2023 09:34AM

  Re: Completely accidental....

JimYoungblood5325May 21, 2023 09:44AM

  Re: I still consider my knowledge of Warner....

mtramfan30May 21, 2023 11:04AM

  Re: I still consider my knowledge of Warner....

BerendsenRam30May 21, 2023 11:12AM

  Double edged sword

JimYoungblood5327May 21, 2023 11:13AM

  Having said all that

Ramsdude29May 21, 2023 11:27AM

  Re: Bennett using #13, should it be retired? Attachments

IowaRam64May 21, 2023 11:58AM

  Nice pic of Bennett in the UNI Attachments

Ramsdude65May 21, 2023 12:02PM