$20M+ for elite players will soon be the norm. Watkins just got $16M. OBJ is on a level up who has proven to be elite and has expressly stated that he's looking to be highly paid. When Peters comes due, there will have been two more years of inflation. If TruJ got $15M this year, Peters is probably worth about $17M - $18M now since there is not dispute that he's better. So in 2020, he'llby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoteferragamo79 there is time and tons of cap space AD is gonna be a $20M+ player. OBJ wants QB money so he'll be a $20M+ player. Peters will be $20M in two years... Goff they may want to extend early to keep his number manageable so it's not a given that they have 3 years on him. He's eligible for an extension after this season. Can they afford $90M between those 4 players? Weby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteSpeedball89 They still need 2 starters. They just traded for Ramik. He may be the plan for the ILB spot opposite Barron. Ebukam for one of the OLB spots which leaves the other OLB position to be filled.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteCROMWELL21 Rams no longer have enough money. Could Suh signing be precursor to a Donald trade? I doubt it. But I can't imagine Donald won't be with the team until he uses up all his franchise tags. The Rams may not have much space left to put a large portion of a new extension on the 2018 cap they have plenty of space to do that on the 2019 cap. I doubt that they were ever going to put mby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
I largely agree with everything you're saying but for one small detail. In light of AlbaNY_Ram's info above about the TV deal expiring after 2022, a declining cap could be a factor after then. Right? I'm just thinking out loud... maybe a 5 or 6 year deal - anything longer than 4 years - could be affected by that.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
In addition to possibly being a key part of winning a SB, he will be a free agent at the beginning of the process where teams are flush with cash. He was hurt this year by being cut after the first wave of free agency had ended. It's all good me b/c if he walks next year and signs a multiyear deal with another team, we get a rich comp. pick.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRamBill ......become very useful in this situation Trade this year's 1st and a 3rd next year....and maybe an additional 6th or other later round pick Trader Les can always find a way. This is, of course, separate from the baggage OBJ brings (contract/character), and whether they want to take that on. I think a 1st and a 3rd, for a player with baggage who is a free agent after thby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn Quotebigjimram21 So explain to me if the Rams are say at 22.5 a year (78 million guaranteed ) and the AD wants say 24 million (and 84 million guaranteed ) would that be the Rams lowballing him or he wanting to much? Just don't buy the pay him whatever he wants mantra. Of course AD wants as much as he can get but where does it go from there if the Rams feel like the cost is tooby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRockRam This guy is not who you want on a potential Championship team. I'd be real disappointed if he became a Ram. Not only that, can you imagine what he'd demand if Watkins got $16 mil per year? Not even sure I believe it. Just to be clear, do you dislike his maturity issues and can't root for him as a person? Would that be the source of your disappointment? Or do you think hby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotelaram Quoteferragamo79 count me out Talib has done everything OBJ has with the exception of being caught with drugs but has one upped him by not only shooting himself but threatening to shoot another? OBJ is at least a better player and he's much younger. OBJ has a maturity issue...what's Talib's excuse? :S Peters has a maturity issue too...and you were not for him. My stance oby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotelaram Quotedzrams then they shouldn't bother calling on OBJ b/c he'll command at least $18M. That doesn't make much sense to ME, especially considering we have no idea of the value they have set for Watkins and a player like OBJ. OBJ is universally considered one of teh greatest talents to come along in a LONG time. The numbers he has put up are unmatched. I'm not advocating signiby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteVANRAM i voted donald but, do incentives count against the cap ? is there a way of using them to make him the highest paid using them ? Incentives fall into two categories: likely to be earned and not likely to be earned. Likely to be earned incentives count against the current years cap. Not likely to be earned incentives don't count against the current years cap but if earned wilby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
then they shouldn't bother calling on OBJ b/c he'll command at least $18M.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Beckham already has 4 accrued seasons b/c unlike Donald he hasn't held out yet. Therefore, even if he doesn't play one game this year for the Giants, he'll be a free agent after the season.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteAlbaNY_Ram I wrote to overthecap.com and asked this: "About Aaron Donald: he reported late last year - less than 30 days before the Rams first game - and as a result should not have earned an accrued season for 2017. I think he only has 3 accrued years right now but your site says 4. Is that an error? Or do I not understand how accrued seasons are earned?" And their responseby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotespagsbacker i don't know. I am more comfortable just letting his contract expire, putting the tag on him for two years and then moving on from him when he is almost 30. Do I want to give him $24M per year for 5 years? Not really. I like the guy and all, but the disparity between that number and the league minimum is too great for me. go rams I asked this the other day with no responseby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteBlue and Gold Quotedzrams According to Chief's board, he played MIKE LB in 2016 and moved to MO in 2017. Maybe that explains the drastic difference in grades. If so that bodes well for us b/c he's likely to play in AO's old spot. . MIKE both years I don't know if you watched him at all, but if so, did you notice a disparity in his peformance between '16 and '17?by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Many of your general platituded are true. But those franchise tag numbers aren't the most accurate way assess market value. We had this discussion last week where I posted the average of the top 10 salaries at the five highest paid positions: QB: $24.66M Edge Rusher: $16.68M WR: $15.3M DT: $14.9M CB: $13.3M Doing it this way is a much more accurate representation of how the league fby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoteno name Quotedzrams Quoteno name Quotedzrams Quotespagsbacker i know this is unpopular, but does signing non QB players to 20 plus million dollar long term deals ever work out? Do we really need to make him the highest paid defender earlier than necessary? We "could" potentially have him for 3 more years without an extension. go rams. Downside 1: AD knows he is severely undeby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
I found a link from a dedicated NFL site that seems to have a more detailed definition: "In order to accrue a season, a player must be on (or should have been on) full pay status for six or more regular season games.... There is another parameter for gaining an Accrued Season in the new CBA. Any player under contract with a team that fails to report within 30 days prior to the first reguby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotespagsbacker after three more years, I think you let him walk... if it comes to that. im not against extending AD at the right price. i just wish it was not the highest paid defender in nfl. go rams And maybe that's the best strategy, who knows. Couple of questions for ya though... Who would you be willing to pay as the highest paid defender? Is it a curse to essentially hby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteAlbaNY_Ram "Downside 1: AD knows he is severely underpaid. If they don't give him an extension, he could sit out the first 11 games, report for five games, and come back the next season on the franchise tag." This is what will keep that from happening: if AD doesn't report about a month before the season starts he won't accrue a season and will push out his free agency another yby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoteno name Quotedzrams Quotespagsbacker i know this is unpopular, but does signing non QB players to 20 plus million dollar long term deals ever work out? Do we really need to make him the highest paid defender earlier than necessary? We "could" potentially have him for 3 more years without an extension. go rams. Downside 1: AD knows he is severely underpaid. If they don't giveby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn Quotedzrams I've commented before that Phillips doesn't typically invest much resources into the ILB position. In several instances since 2004, he's picked up very inexpensive, short term options. Randall Godfrey, Zach Thomas, Keith Brooking, Bradie James, Joe Mays. None of have been considered high profile signings, all were for only one year with the exception of Brooking. He alby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotespagsbacker i know this is unpopular, but does signing non QB players to 20 plus million dollar long term deals ever work out? Do we really need to make him the highest paid defender earlier than necessary? We "could" potentially have him for 3 more years without an extension. go rams. Downside 1: AD knows he is severely underpaid. If they don't give him an extension, he couby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteBlue and Gold You are severely overrating him. I'm overrating him. That explains why Wade is deviating from his practice of not pursuing vet free agent NTs to get into a bidding war for Suh. Makes perfect sense!by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
I've commented before that Phillips doesn't typically invest much resources into the ILB position. In several instances since 2004, he's picked up very inexpensive, short term options. Randall Godfrey, Zach Thomas, Keith Brooking, Bradie James, Joe Mays. None of have been considered high profile signings, all were for only one year with the exception of Brooking. He also rarely drafts theby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Per PFF, he got the highest grade in his career against the run last season. Wouldn't that be the primary reason the Rams want him? Durability is also current news. He's leading all D'linemen in snaps at age 31. If he joins the Rams he'll be part of a rotation and that number is sure to come down. But...back to the main point. None of this is relevant for our context of greatness. Forby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteBlue and Gold Quotedzrams We've come back to my original position. I said greatness supersedes scheme misfit. And you dismissed it as a pleasant sounding bumper sticker. . My reply 1. It "worked" with Youngblood, but he was not what he was before. 2. Suh is not Youngblood in terms of character, work, study, etc. 3. We want great defense, Rams defense was good versus run,by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotejemach I can't think of many (if any) times that a money shopper like Suh, going to team to team, ended up as a big win for a team... We don't know that he's shopping for money. Maybe he's shopping for the best combo of money and winning. It's best to sit tight and see what happens. I seriously doubt the Rams had huge free agency plans for the money anyway other than bargain bin shby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com