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side effects v. health risks--people are confusing things

May 14, 2021 09:33AM
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ramBRO
This large analysis looked at side effects including headache, fatigue, chills and shivering, diarrhea, fever, joint pain, muscle pain and nausea. They also looked at side effects where the injection took place in the arm, including pain at the injection site, swelling, tenderness, redness, itch, warmth and swollen armpit glands.

Other findings include:

▪︎Nearly 14% had side effects after the first Pfizer dose, 22% after the second Pfizer dose and 34% after the first AstraZeneca dose. The most common side effect was headache. Eight percent of people reported suffered headaches after the first Pfizer dose and 13% after the second Pfizer dose.

As is often the case in these discussions, sometimes things get mixed up.

I do not count the normal, well-covered and well-reported side-effects that can follow second shots as actual health risks. My wife for example was nauseous for 2 days following her second shot. There are various symptoms associated with the side effects, ranging from headaches to nausea, but those are not genuine health risks.

The health risks associated with the vaccine include allergic reactions such as anaphylaxis. As of March at least one study was saying that you see such reactions an estimated 2.5 to 11.1 times per million doses, and largely in individuals with a history of allergy.

IMO if someone is mixing up the ordinary side-effects with genuine health risks, they either don't understand the difference or (again IMO) are willfully ignorant of the difference.

So yeah that's a tiny percentage.

When I said those who have been harmed by this vaccine is a tiny percentage, I was referring to the tiny percentage who suffered genuine health risks such as allergic reaction and not the ordinary, "we all know about this" level side-effects people can often get from the 2nd shot.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/14/2021 09:36AM by zn.
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  Nobody is getting COVID shots

ferragamo79648May 04, 2021 04:49PM

  Well, I ain't happy..

sstrams211May 04, 2021 05:18PM

  Re: Well, I ain't happy..

zn174May 05, 2021 05:32PM

  "Real Sacrifice"

waterfield260May 06, 2021 08:08AM

  Where ya heading on the dive trip?? (nm)

DaJudge138May 07, 2021 11:54AM

  Turneffe Island Resort - Belize...

sstrams249May 07, 2021 12:29PM

  just out pf curiosity

PHDram219May 10, 2021 05:32AM

  I have a lot of objections to it..

sstrams205May 10, 2021 06:11AM

  Re: I have a lot of objections to it..

PHDram175May 10, 2021 08:34AM

  Sorry, PHD...

sstrams264May 10, 2021 09:34AM

  Nice post

CeeZar189May 10, 2021 10:24AM

  Thanks, man..

sstrams267May 10, 2021 10:36AM

  Re: Sorry, PHD...

zn238May 10, 2021 01:16PM

  I feel the same way.

Ramgator253May 10, 2021 02:01PM

  but it is not true

zn187May 10, 2021 02:08PM

  Re: I feel the same way.

ramBRO318May 10, 2021 02:18PM

  Forget the past year. In just the last 8-9 months, I have heard.....

Ramgator179May 12, 2021 06:35AM

  Gator none of that was the science

zn156May 12, 2021 06:50AM

  I find it interesting that inconclusive "facts" are deemed NON Science.

Ramgator190May 12, 2021 10:19AM

  your list of "facts" is not the science, no

zn263May 12, 2021 10:58AM

  You called it exactly as I saw it and how MILLIONS did..... "Half facts".

Ramgator238May 12, 2021 11:48AM

  thanks for the compliment

zn188May 12, 2021 12:02PM

  A MAJOR problem is / was simple hygene.

Ramgator185May 13, 2021 02:33AM

  Re: A MAJOR problem is / was simple hygene.

zn212May 13, 2021 07:17AM

  Hygiene is a priority of my life lol

sstrams127May 13, 2021 08:19AM

  And no "findings" are "inconclusive."

PHDram203May 12, 2021 10:56AM

  Simply put...

Ramgator185May 12, 2021 11:41AM

  delete double post

zn141May 12, 2021 11:50AM

  Re: Sorry, PHD...

PHDram214May 10, 2021 08:41PM

  Thanks, PHD...

sstrams145May 11, 2021 02:31AM

  Re: Sorry, PHD...

AlbaNY_Ram165May 11, 2021 04:45AM

  interesting post

PHDram151May 11, 2021 05:12AM

  Re: interesting post

AlbaNY_Ram253May 11, 2021 06:42AM

  Thanks for that research AlbanNY

RAMbler242May 11, 2021 08:03AM

  The evidence is in-

waterfield148May 10, 2021 07:19PM

  I got the Covid vaccine but refuse to get a Flu Shot.

Ramgator220May 05, 2021 12:25PM

  Rural areas are going to be a problem

Drew2839263May 06, 2021 08:00AM

  Yep

IowaRam254May 06, 2021 10:15AM

  I'm from a rural area myself

Drew2839303May 07, 2021 09:14AM

  Re: Nobody is getting COVID shots

sacram320May 07, 2021 09:07AM

  Re: Nobody is getting COVID shots

MamaRAMa205May 07, 2021 02:20PM

  Things are moving slowly up here.

canadaram174May 10, 2021 05:55PM

  Re: Things are moving slowly up here.

waterfield126May 10, 2021 07:58PM

  Nothing is "proven"

PHDram197May 11, 2021 03:44AM

  Re: Nothing is "proven"

zn185May 11, 2021 04:05AM

  Re: Nothing is "proven"

PHDram136May 11, 2021 04:52AM

  Re: Nothing is "proven"

zn167May 11, 2021 06:56AM

  Re: Nothing is "proven"

PHDram134May 11, 2021 07:19AM

  Los Angeles County expects Herd Immunity by July

waterfield238May 10, 2021 07:43PM

  We're pretty much back to normal in Texas..

sstrams157May 11, 2021 06:23AM

  Re: We're pretty much back to normal in Texas..

zn178May 11, 2021 06:57AM

  Re: We're pretty much back to normal in Texas..

MamaRAMa214May 11, 2021 08:26AM

  Re: We're pretty much back to normal in Texas..

zn208May 11, 2021 02:26PM

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MamaRAMa167May 11, 2021 02:47PM

  I got Ram gaiter for Christmas..

sstrams125May 11, 2021 04:04PM

  I hear when you put it over your mouth, it makes you tell HILARIOUS jokes!!!

Ramgator220May 11, 2021 05:00PM

  Re: Rams neck gaiters

zn121May 11, 2021 05:25PM

  What I don't understand..

sstrams229May 11, 2021 04:03PM

  Re: What I don't understand..

zn185May 11, 2021 05:51PM

  I would just add...

RAMbler286May 12, 2021 10:18AM

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zn152May 12, 2021 10:47AM

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MamaRAMa332May 12, 2021 10:47AM

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zn140May 12, 2021 11:02AM

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zn228May 12, 2021 11:17AM

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RAMbler127May 12, 2021 11:05AM

  Re: I would just add...

MamaRAMa129May 12, 2021 11:11AM

  Re: I would just add...

RAMbler124May 12, 2021 01:29PM

  Re: I would just add...

zn222May 12, 2021 02:51PM

  For the sake of accuracy

CeeZar376May 11, 2021 08:28AM

  Re: For the sake of accuracy

zn159May 11, 2021 02:14PM

  Re: For the sake of accuracy

CeeZar182May 13, 2021 12:47PM

  Re: For the sake of accuracy

zn121May 13, 2021 03:56PM

  Re: For the sake of accuracy

AlbaNY_Ram152May 14, 2021 05:13AM

  Re: For the sake of accuracy

zn122May 14, 2021 05:19AM

  Re: For the sake of accuracy

zn154May 15, 2021 06:38AM

  Actually, its the only way.

CeeZar326May 16, 2021 06:37AM

  far from it...it's not even a "way" at all

zn199May 16, 2021 06:54AM

  Re: far from it...it's not even a "way" at all

CeeZar159May 16, 2021 12:31PM

  and he did not say

zn217May 16, 2021 01:18PM

  Bless your heart - nm

CeeZar247May 16, 2021 01:21PM

  bless the facts

zn172May 16, 2021 01:51PM

  LOL

CeeZar250May 16, 2021 02:27PM

  Re: LOL

zn160May 16, 2021 02:45PM

  Re: LOL

CeeZar214May 16, 2021 03:01PM

  that's a misunderstanding

zn181May 16, 2021 03:37PM

  It was a simple question

CeeZar144May 16, 2021 03:47PM

  huh? 46% of US has had at least one shot...Cali is at 62%

Rampage2K-239May 11, 2021 08:33PM

  a lot of those shots were out of the gate

ferragamo79150May 13, 2021 04:52PM

  Re: a lot of those shots were out of the gate

zn155May 13, 2021 08:22PM

  Re: a lot of those shots were out of the gate

PHDram128May 14, 2021 03:51AM

  look it up

zn225May 14, 2021 04:31AM

  you made the assertion.

PHDram138May 14, 2021 04:57AM

  I'm not going to bicker all day PhD

zn128May 14, 2021 05:17AM

  Lol. OK.

PHDram156May 14, 2021 05:29AM

  Re: a lot of those shots were out of the gate

ramBRO131May 14, 2021 08:07AM

  Re: a lot of those shots were out of the gate

PHDram118May 14, 2021 08:30AM

  Re: a lot of those shots were out of the gate

ramBRO120May 14, 2021 08:52AM

  Re: a lot of those shots were out of the gate

PHDram172May 14, 2021 09:02AM

  Re: a lot of those shots were out of the gate

zn117May 14, 2021 09:49AM

  Uh huh. NM

PHDram157May 14, 2021 09:50AM

  side effects v. health risks--people are confusing things

zn133May 14, 2021 09:33AM

  Re: Nobody is getting COVID shots

Axl157May 14, 2021 06:52AM

  Re: Nobody is getting COVID shots

Rampage2K-140May 16, 2021 08:35PM

  Countering Common Vaccine Concerns

zn180May 15, 2021 06:28AM

  Re: Countering Common Vaccine Concerns

ramBRO113May 15, 2021 03:00PM

  be reasonable

zn113May 15, 2021 03:15PM

  Re: Countering Common Vaccine Concerns

Rampage2K-117May 16, 2021 08:38PM

  The whole thing is a frickin joke

IowaRam203May 15, 2021 10:43AM

  If you're vaccinated , you no longer need to wear a mask

IowaRam176May 15, 2021 10:47AM

  Re: If you're vaccinated , you no longer need to wear a mask

zn200May 15, 2021 11:10AM

  Nobody's checking..

sstrams257May 15, 2021 03:10PM

  Re: Nobody's checking..

zn150May 15, 2021 03:18PM

  I believe the chip is coming...

sstrams156May 15, 2021 07:36PM

  Re: I believe the chip is coming...

zn245May 15, 2021 08:56PM

  That's cool, but surely..

sstrams149May 16, 2021 04:07AM

  Re: That's cool, but surely..

zn128May 16, 2021 04:47AM

  little league baseball fields were packed today

IowaRam122May 15, 2021 03:56PM

  Lids still play baseball?

PHDram123May 17, 2021 03:35AM

  Re: Nobody's checking..

Rampage2K-148May 16, 2021 08:42PM

  here are the CDC guidelines

zn158May 15, 2021 11:16AM

  This is whats been bugging me

IowaRam214May 15, 2021 03:42PM

  that's not vague

zn159May 15, 2021 03:50PM

  I'm kind of talking simpler things

IowaRam139May 15, 2021 04:05PM

  Re: I'm kind of talking simpler things

zn227May 15, 2021 04:12PM

  So, what is the point?

sstrams116May 16, 2021 12:59PM

  that's not what the CDC said

zn117May 16, 2021 01:14PM

  Fauci on masks as of 5/13

zn122May 16, 2021 01:46PM

  "falling all over each other" lol!

sstrams125May 16, 2021 02:38PM

  Well, I guess I didn't make my point..

sstrams125May 16, 2021 02:34PM

  He's not telling us to "obey state laws," not in the way you seem to mean that

zn125May 16, 2021 02:54PM

  I'm just saying that..

sstrams147May 16, 2021 03:06PM

  The floodgates are open

CeeZar187May 16, 2021 03:25PM

  Re: The floodgates are open

MamaRAMa173May 22, 2021 05:18AM

  Re: The floodgates are open

CeeZar227May 22, 2021 06:02AM

  Re: The floodgates are open

MamaRAMa259May 22, 2021 06:12AM

  Re: The floodgates are open

zn132May 22, 2021 07:18AM

  Re: I'm just saying that..

zn191May 16, 2021 03:30PM

  That's not quite accurate

PHDram261May 17, 2021 03:10AM

  Re: Nobody is getting COVID shots

IowaRam204May 22, 2021 03:55AM

  Gonzo and Pepe before vaccination

CeeZar256May 22, 2021 04:46AM