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Re: bizarrely, you act like you have something to argue with in what I said!

May 22, 2021 07:17PM
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Feel free not to believe that. But just know that others DO believe it. .

No I take it one step further. Starting in 2007 in the Bulger debates, till now, no one has ever proven the argument that there are qbs who transcend deficient OLs or elevate them or any of that. I mentioned two and they couldn't always pull it off. If your OL degrades, your offense degrades. All this time, like I said going back to 2007, I have asked people to provide examples of qbs who did that. No example has ever stood up. (In the end I added Brady and Wilson to the list myself).

Just the other day I was listening to a commentator who compared Prescott in Dallas and Stafford in Detroit. Prescott was handed advantages with that OL they had, while often, Stafford had to contend with weaker OLs (though last year's was pretty solid). The commentator said, imagine what Stafford could have done if he ended up with that Dallas OL.

Good qb play depends on a lot of things, including the qb himself, but also including a synergy with his OL, and along with that, strong playcalling and good offensive design. A mediocre coach can set that back, a mediocre qb can obviously set that back, and so can a problem OL. I have seen it over and over. '

You can call it just another opinion, that's fine. But I am pretty hardened and battle-tested from debating this for years now. I've changed my mind about a lot of things having to do with the NFL over the years, so if I ever saw an argument about this issue that gave me pause, I would have paused.

We do agree on some things when it comes to Stafford, we just put it differently. You're into the whole "processing speed" and "reading defenses" thing, and I just see all that in his case as effects of experience. That's why I keep mentioning that he's a good savvy vet who has "seen it all." LA will set him up well to take advantage of all that. But back in his 4th and 5th years, that was not the case yet--he had as many poor games as virtually any other 4th or 5th year qb you can name (with Stafford, both years combined, 2012 and 2013, it's actually 4 games per season with qb ratings below 70 and a total of 7 TDs and 18 INTs combined in those 8 games). So he got where he is now the hard way.










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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/22/2021 07:28PM by zn.
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  I hope McVay is at his best this year

NewMexicoRam573May 22, 2021 07:12AM

  Re: I hope McVay is at his best this year

zn237May 22, 2021 07:45AM

  Re: I hope McVay is at his best this year

Rams43199May 22, 2021 08:07AM

  bizarrely, you act like you have something to argue with in what I said!

zn210May 22, 2021 08:45AM

  Re: bizarrely, you act like you have something to argue with in what I said!

Rams43188May 22, 2021 01:05PM

  Re: bizarrely, you act like you have something to argue with in what I said!

zn162May 22, 2021 02:26PM

  Re: bizarrely, you act like you have something to argue with in what I said!

Rams43192May 22, 2021 05:00PM

  Re: bizarrely, you act like you have something to argue with in what I said!

zn212May 22, 2021 07:17PM

  Re: I hope McVay is at his best this year

JYB136May 22, 2021 02:52PM

  Re: I hope McVay is at his best this year

Rams43150May 22, 2021 05:01PM

  Re: I hope McVay is at his best this year

dzrams118May 22, 2021 03:35PM

  Re: I hope McVay is at his best this year

zn186May 22, 2021 03:48PM

  Re: I hope McVay is at his best this year

stlramz173May 22, 2021 08:27PM

  The biggest upgrade that I think Stafford brings

Ram_Ruler187May 23, 2021 09:19AM

  Bottom line

Hazlet Hacksaw148May 23, 2021 02:20PM

  Am I the only who gets a little uneasy with this topic?

JamesJM167May 22, 2021 05:23PM

  Re: Am I the only who gets a little uneasy with this topic?

dzrams155May 22, 2021 06:45PM

  That's true.... but it's not my reason for worry...

JamesJM120May 22, 2021 06:48PM

  Re: Am I the only who gets a little uneasy with this topic?

zn214May 22, 2021 06:59PM

  I think he was limited by Goff

NewMexicoRam158May 22, 2021 07:16PM

  I don't... or at least he shouldn't have been...

JamesJM153May 22, 2021 07:19PM

  Re: I don't... or at least he shouldn't have been...

zn158May 22, 2021 07:24PM

  I suspect that as well....

JamesJM150May 22, 2021 07:29PM

  I thought he was talking about Goff...

Atlantic Ram128May 23, 2021 06:34AM

  nope.

zn147May 23, 2021 08:13AM

  Maybe he felt he needed to over think things.....

roman18139May 23, 2021 06:42AM

  Re: Maybe he felt he needed to over think things.....

moklerman138May 23, 2021 08:41AM

  McVay understands one truth

merlin170May 23, 2021 08:32AM

  Re: McVay understands one truth

zn422May 23, 2021 08:45AM

  Yes you do

Hazlet Hacksaw377May 23, 2021 02:23PM