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Re: Yeah...really

March 19, 2020 09:38AM
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JimYoungblood53
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dzrams

There is no real evidence that Fowler had shown much more rush ability. Look at their 2016 - 2018 seasons. I and another posted numbers on this.

There's not a huge difference between their numbers so IMO it's inaccurate to say one guy had 2 decent years as a rush guy. Fowler had 16 sacks in his first 3 seasons; Floyd had 15.5.
2016
Dante Fowler only played on passing downs as rookie 32 tackles, 4 sacks, 5 PDs in 36 snaps a game
Floyd had 7 sacks playing full time in 12 games..but had 33 tackles

year 2
2017
Fowler playing 29 snaps a game, had 8 sacks and was a major part of their team--which was good
Floyd playing 58 snaps a game had 34 tackles and 4.5 sacks

Also, watching Fowler, there was really no comparison who was the better pass rusher those two years.

imn 2018 we all saw what happend with Fowler---and in 2019...11.5 sacks, and 7 run stuffs

Floyd regressed in 2018 amd 2019, playing 75 and 84% of snaps he had 4 sacks and 2 sacks

There is really no comparison. And I am not sad Fowler is gone...just that Floyd is questionable based
on past. as someone said he's decent vs run and pass and as fair in pass rush, and we gave $10 for THAT?

I use PFF because they break down the details of this stuff more than others. In this case, they have the total number of snaps for each player and the breakdown of run defense versus pass rush versus coverage snaps.

Looking at just the pash rush stats for 2016 - 2018, this is what we get:

Fowler

2016 - pass rush snaps 397 with 4 sacks
2017 - pass rush snaps 452 with 8 sacks
2018 - pass rush snaps 480 with 4 sacks
Total - 1329 pass rush snaps with 16 sacks


Floyd

2016 - pass rush snaps 267 with 7 sacks
2017 - pass rush snaps 276 with 4.5 sacks
2018 - pass rush snaps 467 with 4 sacks
Total - 1010 pass rush snaps with 15.5 sacks

What I see is that Floyd got nearly the same amount of sacks in only 75% of the pass rushing opportunities. Neither one of their numbers were stellar but it definitely can NOT be said that there is no comparison based on stats.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Maybe Floyd was signed for his run stopping ability

promomasterj1045March 18, 2020 03:04PM

  Well--spin it anyway you want, numbers show mediocrity

JimYoungblood53240March 18, 2020 03:57PM

  Matthews in his prime - we have that guy?

promomasterj436March 18, 2020 05:49PM

  No, we don't

JimYoungblood53256March 18, 2020 07:20PM

  I'm surprised Matthews wasn't cut

ferragamo79237March 18, 2020 05:50PM

  I called my Chicago Bear buddy today

Deadpool422March 18, 2020 06:36PM

  Maybe all that is true, but do Rams have a year to wait (waste)?

JimYoungblood53206March 18, 2020 07:21PM

  whats the alternative. These bad contracts are coming with a cost

Deadpool262March 18, 2020 07:42PM

  Re: whats the alternative. These bad contracts are coming with a cost

JimYoungblood53194March 18, 2020 08:14PM

  so i have a question

PHDram204March 18, 2020 08:43PM

  Fowler was an underachiever in Jville

21Dog170March 19, 2020 05:46AM

  Not sure Floyd is a Fowler replacement

3030270March 19, 2020 06:45AM

  Here, I agree, he's a Ebukam, Matthews replacement

JimYoungblood53150March 19, 2020 08:32AM

  Re: Not sure Floyd is a Fowler replacement

Classicalwit124March 21, 2020 03:41AM

  Re: Not sure Floyd is a Fowler replacement

AlbaNY_Ram128March 21, 2020 04:33AM

  Re: Fowler was an underachiever in Jville

dzrams167March 19, 2020 07:43AM

  yup

PHDram270March 19, 2020 07:51AM

  Re: yup

dzrams136March 19, 2020 07:58AM

  were on the same page

PHDram167March 19, 2020 08:05AM

  Not in his first 2 years, He was a good role player

JimYoungblood53196March 19, 2020 08:33AM

  And in all fairness Fowler tore his ACL in rookie minicamp

Rams Junkie163March 19, 2020 09:37AM

  He's a 9th overall pick . . . he's a bust

JimYoungblood53172March 19, 2020 08:31AM

  Re: Again...sounds like Fowler...

dzrams143March 19, 2020 08:33AM

  Let me follow the logic

JimYoungblood53142March 19, 2020 08:39AM

  Re: Let's follow the evidence....

dzrams148March 19, 2020 09:05AM

  Really?

JimYoungblood53139March 19, 2020 09:18AM

  Re: Yeah...really

dzrams153March 19, 2020 09:38AM

  and 2019? Why did you omit those?

JimYoungblood53138March 19, 2020 10:06AM

  Re: and 2019? Why did you omit those?

dzrams153March 19, 2020 10:38AM

  I watched them. Fowler was a good rusher

JimYoungblood53172March 19, 2020 10:46AM

  Re: The ol' eye test!

dzrams207March 19, 2020 11:01AM

  Well, NFL Replay is free right now.

JimYoungblood53140March 19, 2020 11:13AM

  also, since you have PFF, would you

JimYoungblood53132March 19, 2020 10:10AM

  Re: Let me follow the logic

Classicalwit124March 22, 2020 05:29AM

  Honest assessment, good summary of the current circumstances. Thanks

Rams Junkie331March 18, 2020 09:22PM

  Re: whats the alternative. These bad contracts are coming with a cost

Rams43189March 19, 2020 07:22AM

  Re: whats the alternative. These bad contracts are coming with a cost

dzrams175March 19, 2020 07:48AM

  Re: whats the alternative. These bad contracts are coming with a cost

Rams43162March 19, 2020 08:29AM

  Re: whats the alternative. These bad contracts are coming with a cost

zn442March 19, 2020 09:53AM

  A little more health

Hazlet Hacksaw122March 22, 2020 10:09AM

  Re: whats the alternative. These bad contracts are coming with a cost

RamsFanSinceLA159March 19, 2020 03:14PM

  What's your metric for falling behind?

promomasterj195March 19, 2020 03:32PM

  Re: What's your metric for falling behind?

RamsFanSinceLA147March 20, 2020 05:08AM

  Re: What's your metric for falling behind?

Classicalwit127March 22, 2020 05:42AM