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Re: Let's follow the evidence....

March 19, 2020 09:05AM
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JimYoungblood53
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dzrams
The 'he's a bust' charge was leveled against Fowler prior to arriving in LA and he was a 3rd pick. There were those who said that you don't trade a 3rd round pick for such a bust.

But that turned out good right?

One guy is a bust, but had 2 decent years as a rush guy, then had an attitude and Jax dumped him, but he had shown pass rush ability---and it works to a degree with Rams

Another guy, hasn't show that rush ability, even though he had Mack on the other sid of him for 2 years--

because one worked, you think the other will work?

It's like rolling the dice and hitting 7 again and again---

also, look at Floyds body...he looks skinny. He's 6-5 240. Ask yourself how many guys have been that skinny and been double digit sackers since sacks became official? And how many recently? None recently. He COULD be the first, I guess.

But I an questioning it... that is all. I cannot see the future, maybe he DOES work out. But can't people see the odds are against it?

There is no real evidence that Fowler had shown much more rush ability. Look at their 2016 - 2018 seasons. I and another posted posted numbers on this.

There's not a huge difference between their numbers so IMO it's inaccurate to say one guy had 2 decent years as a rush guy. Fowler had 16 sacks in his first 3 seasons; Floyd had 15.5.

Both had been mediocre as rush guys.

You really missed the logic. It's not like rolling 7 again and again from pure randomness; You must factor in WHY the 7 was rolled. The why is AD. My premise is, Fowler would still be a nobody without AD.

When considering how a great player affects an edge defenders one on one opportunities, AD and Mack aren't good comparisons. They play different positions in different schemes.

It's already been shown that AD attracts more double and triple teams than any other player in the league. That's accepted common knowledge now. Thus, Fowler got a ton of one on one opportunities. To his credit, he took advantage of this last year.

Mack is not an interior DL player so it's actually harder to double and triple team him. He doesn't free up players for one on one opportunities like AD does. Moreover, as I believe Deadpool explained, he actually took pass rushing opportunities away from Floyd because of how good he is. He was rushing the QB every play; Floyd's role was often to sit back and read the defense between run/pass.

Since we still have the constant for a primary reason why Fowler succeeded, there's a decent chance the next super talented, athletic, yet underachieving guy can succeed.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Maybe Floyd was signed for his run stopping ability

promomasterj1045March 18, 2020 03:04PM

  Well--spin it anyway you want, numbers show mediocrity

JimYoungblood53240March 18, 2020 03:57PM

  Matthews in his prime - we have that guy?

promomasterj436March 18, 2020 05:49PM

  No, we don't

JimYoungblood53256March 18, 2020 07:20PM

  I'm surprised Matthews wasn't cut

ferragamo79237March 18, 2020 05:50PM

  I called my Chicago Bear buddy today

Deadpool422March 18, 2020 06:36PM

  Maybe all that is true, but do Rams have a year to wait (waste)?

JimYoungblood53206March 18, 2020 07:21PM

  whats the alternative. These bad contracts are coming with a cost

Deadpool262March 18, 2020 07:42PM

  Re: whats the alternative. These bad contracts are coming with a cost

JimYoungblood53194March 18, 2020 08:14PM

  so i have a question

PHDram204March 18, 2020 08:43PM

  Fowler was an underachiever in Jville

21Dog170March 19, 2020 05:46AM

  Not sure Floyd is a Fowler replacement

3030270March 19, 2020 06:45AM

  Here, I agree, he's a Ebukam, Matthews replacement

JimYoungblood53150March 19, 2020 08:32AM

  Re: Not sure Floyd is a Fowler replacement

Classicalwit124March 21, 2020 03:41AM

  Re: Not sure Floyd is a Fowler replacement

AlbaNY_Ram128March 21, 2020 04:33AM

  Re: Fowler was an underachiever in Jville

dzrams167March 19, 2020 07:43AM

  yup

PHDram270March 19, 2020 07:51AM

  Re: yup

dzrams136March 19, 2020 07:58AM

  were on the same page

PHDram167March 19, 2020 08:05AM

  Not in his first 2 years, He was a good role player

JimYoungblood53196March 19, 2020 08:33AM

  And in all fairness Fowler tore his ACL in rookie minicamp

Rams Junkie163March 19, 2020 09:37AM

  He's a 9th overall pick . . . he's a bust

JimYoungblood53172March 19, 2020 08:31AM

  Re: Again...sounds like Fowler...

dzrams144March 19, 2020 08:33AM

  Let me follow the logic

JimYoungblood53142March 19, 2020 08:39AM

  Re: Let's follow the evidence....

dzrams148March 19, 2020 09:05AM

  Really?

JimYoungblood53139March 19, 2020 09:18AM

  Re: Yeah...really

dzrams154March 19, 2020 09:38AM

  and 2019? Why did you omit those?

JimYoungblood53138March 19, 2020 10:06AM

  Re: and 2019? Why did you omit those?

dzrams153March 19, 2020 10:38AM

  I watched them. Fowler was a good rusher

JimYoungblood53172March 19, 2020 10:46AM

  Re: The ol' eye test!

dzrams207March 19, 2020 11:01AM

  Well, NFL Replay is free right now.

JimYoungblood53140March 19, 2020 11:13AM

  also, since you have PFF, would you

JimYoungblood53132March 19, 2020 10:10AM

  Re: Let me follow the logic

Classicalwit124March 22, 2020 05:29AM

  Honest assessment, good summary of the current circumstances. Thanks

Rams Junkie331March 18, 2020 09:22PM

  Re: whats the alternative. These bad contracts are coming with a cost

Rams43189March 19, 2020 07:22AM

  Re: whats the alternative. These bad contracts are coming with a cost

dzrams175March 19, 2020 07:48AM

  Re: whats the alternative. These bad contracts are coming with a cost

Rams43162March 19, 2020 08:29AM

  Re: whats the alternative. These bad contracts are coming with a cost

zn442March 19, 2020 09:53AM

  A little more health

Hazlet Hacksaw122March 22, 2020 10:09AM

  Re: whats the alternative. These bad contracts are coming with a cost

RamsFanSinceLA159March 19, 2020 03:14PM

  What's your metric for falling behind?

promomasterj195March 19, 2020 03:32PM

  Re: What's your metric for falling behind?

RamsFanSinceLA147March 20, 2020 05:08AM

  Re: What's your metric for falling behind?

Classicalwit127March 22, 2020 05:42AM