Welcome! Log In Create A New Profile

Advanced

Re: I think you're generalizing a bit too much

December 30, 2019 09:04PM
Quote
merlin
When a QB dips like Jared did this season we can say the OL was mostly to blame. But I think laying everything at the feet of the OL .


No one did that.

But many times in an analysis of this kind of situation, there are people who will try to act like OL collapse does not mean anything and they don't factor it in.

For example there's this, the thing I disagreed with in your post. When the OL collapses and is unstable or unreliable, you really cannot go play by play and say hey look here there was pressure here there wasn't. There's no such thing. Here's why. The entire offensive dynamic changes and everything is out of sync. That is the qb enters the game and if he's sane he lacks confidence in the OL, which impacts decisions and causes him to press; and the playcalling compensates for the OL mess by restricting the offense; the team in that situation will tend to get behind so the D can more freely tee off since they know the offense has to pass; there are more penalties and 2nd & 3rd and long situations; and so on. So the entire situation is magnified. The disadvantages are multiplied.

Is that "blaming" the OL? I don't like the language of blame, I don't think it's at all analytical. It is the case though that in any fair and balanced analysis you have to say the OL has collapsed or is injured to the point of ineffectiveness or something, whatever is actually the case. AND you have to add that with very rare exceptions, no qb plays as well under those conditions.

Let's say I told you before the season that the Rams OL would have these problems--both OTs have regressed, 2 new starters begin the season struggling, and of course defenses already know how to attack Blythe at guard and either way it;s impossible for one player to look good when the rest of the OL is so out of sync. If I said that, would you predict Goff would excel? Would look okay? Or look worse?

Heck forget Goff. Put virtually any qb in the league in there. Would they excel? Look okay? Or look worse than usual?

When OLs go down to THAT extent the qb goes with it. Is that "blame"? Or description? The exceptions I keep naming who were in that situation before are Brady and Wilson, and it caught up with them, too, in spite of being exceptions.

We are not really analyzing the qb if he is playing under those conditions. What we are analyzing in that case is the qb under those conditions.

And you can also pretty safely predict which ones will bounce back if the OL is re-stabilized and remains relatively healthy.

A quote (for fun) from Firefly, Serenity:

Zoë : If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh and sew our skins into their clothing. And if we're very, very lucky, they'll do it in that order.


....

...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/30/2019 09:08PM by zn.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Sportrac: Rams Likely to Restructure Goff's Contract

RamBill1391December 30, 2019 07:15AM

  You can restructure a contract that soon?

Ram_Ruler389December 30, 2019 07:17AM

  Re: You can restructure a contract that soon?

zn333December 30, 2019 08:21AM

  That's a no-brainer, right?

RAMpant Defense276December 30, 2019 08:26AM

  Re: That's a no-brainer, right?

zn263December 30, 2019 08:34AM

  Re: That's a no-brainer, right?

RAMpant Defense340December 30, 2019 08:43AM

  Re: That's a no-brainer, right?

zn205December 30, 2019 09:29AM

  Re: That's a no-brainer, right?

RAMpant Defense294December 30, 2019 09:42AM

  Re: That's a no-brainer, right?

zn344December 30, 2019 10:37AM

  Re: That's a no-brainer, right?

RAMpant Defense190December 30, 2019 10:53AM

  +1 (NM)

zn173December 30, 2019 12:01PM

  Re: That's a no-brainer, right?

Rams43204December 30, 2019 08:46AM

  Restructuring is so confusing to me

Ram_Ruler183December 30, 2019 10:42AM

  Re: Restructuring is so confusing to me

AlbaNY_Ram177December 30, 2019 11:14AM

  Re: Restructuring is so confusing to me

rampage666304December 30, 2019 12:19PM

  Re: Restructuring is so confusing to me

zn192December 30, 2019 01:33PM

  Re: Restructuring is so confusing to me

AlbaNY_Ram249December 30, 2019 02:03PM

  Re: Restructuring is so confusing to me

zn182December 30, 2019 02:20PM

  Okay I get it now

Ram_Ruler178December 30, 2019 02:49PM

  trade Cooks for a 7th rounder

ferragamo79262December 30, 2019 07:18AM

  Re: shoot can they rip that contract up?

Speed_Kills269December 30, 2019 07:31AM

  Re: shoot can they rip that contract up?

Ekern55380December 30, 2019 07:59AM

  like to see Gurley split carries

ferragamo79208December 30, 2019 08:07AM

  Re: trade Cooks for a 7th rounder

den-the-coach207December 30, 2019 08:16AM

  Re: like to see Gurley split carries

RAMpant Defense200December 30, 2019 08:18AM

  Re: shoot can they rip that contract up?

CraigMatson273December 30, 2019 07:21PM

  Re: shoot can they rip that contract up?

Rams43309December 30, 2019 08:18AM

  Re: shoot can they rip that contract up?

Speed_Kills180December 30, 2019 01:06PM

  I like Goff but there should be no sacred cows

stlramz173December 30, 2019 08:43PM

  Agree with you both...

JamesJM174December 30, 2019 08:52PM

  Re: shoot can they rip that contract up?

chico n da rams225December 30, 2019 08:35AM

  Re: what’s so rare about it

Speed_Kills186December 30, 2019 01:16PM

  Re: shoot can they rip that contract up?

Rampage2K-201December 30, 2019 12:28PM

  Re: yup disagree with all of that

Speed_Kills167December 30, 2019 01:18PM

  Re: yup disagree with all of that

Rampage2K-166December 30, 2019 01:29PM

  Re: see that, and DeMarco Farr on the Offensive Line

leafnose167December 31, 2019 04:14AM

  The Rams are gonna do something with those big contracts

max328December 30, 2019 08:48AM

  will they really need to, though?

LMU93240December 30, 2019 09:50AM

  Re: The Rams are gonna do something with those big contracts

den-the-coach375December 30, 2019 09:54AM

  Re: The Rams are gonna do something with those big contracts

max277December 30, 2019 10:26AM

  Re: thoughtful post max

Speed_Kills188December 30, 2019 01:25PM

  Re: thoughtful post max

max180December 30, 2019 01:37PM

  Re: agreed

Speed_Kills177December 30, 2019 04:47PM

  Re: The Rams are gonna do something with those big contracts

Rampage2K-378December 30, 2019 01:33PM

  Do you actually follow the Rams?

max188December 30, 2019 01:44PM

  Re: Do you actually follow the Rams? No I just go to every game in LA

Rampage2K-196December 30, 2019 02:08PM

  Now I get it

max231December 30, 2019 02:21PM

  Re: Now I get it

Rampage2K-182December 30, 2019 02:24PM

  Re: Now I get it

PHDram198December 30, 2019 04:30PM

  Re: Everything you mention is possible

merlin348December 30, 2019 01:43PM

  Thats a lot to unpack...

max184December 30, 2019 01:52PM

  there;s no such thing

zn224December 30, 2019 02:13PM

  Re: there;s no such thing

Rampage2K-365December 30, 2019 02:22PM

  While I'm a bit less earnest...

max186December 30, 2019 02:25PM

  Re: While I'm a bit less earnest...

Rampage2K-192December 30, 2019 02:29PM

  Re: While I'm a bit less earnest...

zn175December 30, 2019 05:49PM

  Re: I think you're generalizing a bit too much

merlin221December 30, 2019 08:13PM

  Re: I think you're generalizing a bit too much

zn221December 30, 2019 09:04PM