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Re: Curious, how do we define a franchise QB?

October 14, 2018 04:06AM
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RamUK
I guess Tannehill, Winston and Bortles would be called franchise QB's, yet all are under threat and maligned by fans and media.

Mariota is barely any better and Carr isn't looking like a guy being paid top 3 QB money.

Can any of those really be called franchise QB's?

It seems to be there are 3 or 4 levels.

I don't think it's realistic to lump Ryan and Stafford with Tennehill and Bortles in the same group as merely franchise QB's.

Probably splitting hairs now, but it's interesting.

Well I would say a couple of criteria defining a franchise qb is (1) you are considered to be inherently a starting caliber qb, and (2) that the team has no plans to replace you and therefore builds its offense around you.

So yeah that allows for some borderline cases where the guy is not considered established, or is on probation. And it excludes #2 caliber qbs like Keenum, Fitzpatrick, and Foles.

It's a mistake to pretend like there's a simple, objective rule for defining this. There couldn't be, because the thing is fluid. But we all know if a guy is struggling to be that or IS that. And we all know that when a team drafts a guy what the intention is. But rather than engage in semantic games all day, we say the Jets drafted Darnold, he's their FQ. We don't need to add, if he works out as a starter in the league---we all know that. And Flacco is their FQ. We all know that he's older and might decline and force the team to re-think the position. So everyone comes with invisible footnotes. That can lead to quibbles but it doesnt; have to because the truth is we all know the distinctions.

So the intention when you draft a guy to be your starter is to install him, develop him, and count on him being the future at the position.
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  Wow, not this has to settle the debate. Doesn't it?

RamUK613October 13, 2018 01:46PM

  Re: Wow, not this has to settle the debate. Doesn't it?

zn147October 13, 2018 01:56PM

  But why on earth would you assume that?

RamUK142October 13, 2018 02:35PM

  I was confusing sorry

zn117October 13, 2018 03:21PM

  Re: Not really....

dzrams113October 13, 2018 02:44PM

  There are probably no more than about a dozen or so elits QB's

RamUK64October 13, 2018 06:09PM

  Re: There are probably no more than about a dozen or so elits QB's

zn54October 13, 2018 06:30PM

  Curious, how do we define a franchise QB?

RamUK84October 14, 2018 03:35AM

  Re: Curious, how do we define a franchise QB?

zn49October 14, 2018 04:06AM

  Re: I said "franchise to elite..."

dzrams86October 13, 2018 07:04PM

  okay

zn55October 13, 2018 07:08PM

  I think that's a dangerous conclusion to draw

RamUK63October 14, 2018 03:26AM

  Re: There's plenty of evidence that it's a trend...

dzrams56October 14, 2018 07:33AM

  As often happens in these debates...

jemach53October 14, 2018 03:59AM

  Re: Wow, not this has to settle the debate. Doesn't it?

Classicalwit82October 13, 2018 05:07PM

  Almost absurd as

RamUK112October 13, 2018 06:06PM

  Re: Wow, not this has to settle the debate. Doesn't it?

KeithA3970October 13, 2018 08:56PM

  Re: Wow, not this has to settle the debate. Doesn't it?

zn57October 13, 2018 09:08PM

  So Faulk wasn't an elite RB because he never topped the league in yards

Deadpool62October 13, 2018 09:21PM

  Clearly you haven't been following it!

RamUK54October 14, 2018 03:13AM

  The GSOT would have never been the GSOT...

jemach61October 14, 2018 04:01AM