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we're just using the term differently

April 13, 2018 05:48AM
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Speed_Kills
DJ is most certainly a one trick pony and a very good one at that.... and again there are others. In fact Cooks was brought in to play the DJ role. That’s exactly how McVay intends to use him

Now an argument can be made that a receiver with a more varied skill set or upside would be even better than Cooks. However, apparently McVay didn’t think so or we would still have Watkins

We;re just using the term differently. The way I use the term "1 trick pony," a player who meets that definition is not and CAN'T be productive the way Jackson is.

I;ve always understood the term "1 trick pony" as identifying players who, very unlike Jackson, may have deep speed but can't do enough of anything else well enough to keep defenders honest---they become too predictable.

The DJ role is not "one trick pony" seen this way. He;s a deep threat but that's not the same thing. A guy like DJ or Cooks has to be effective on enough routes and in enough different ways so that he can do a lot more than just run deep, which of course makes running deep when he DOES do it far less easy to predict or contain. It works the other way too. They are so skilled at deep routes it sets defenders up for them to break off on relatively shorter routes. Again Jackson and Cooks can do that, Avery and Givens couldn't.

On a semantics debate like this (that's not said negatively, this is literally a difference on how a term is used) 2 guys can just end up using the term in question so differently that the discussion can get caught up in that.

Either way, when I personally use (or read) the term 1 trick pony, I mean (or hear) something like this--a limited player who can't be an effective deep threat because they can't do enough other things well enough to set up the deep threat. That's Givens and Avery. It;'s not Cooks and Jackson




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Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 04/13/2018 05:58AM by zn.
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  laram sent me this clip on B Cooks

Speed_Kills938April 11, 2018 04:19PM

  Re: shellback posted this video clip

Anonymous User393April 11, 2018 04:56PM

  You know what looked soft to me in that video?

Saguaro382April 11, 2018 05:20PM

  LOL...nice, Sag!!!

SunTzu_vs_Camus214April 12, 2018 02:04AM

  Re: What about being a one trick pony?

Speed_Kills224April 12, 2018 02:14AM

  I didn't draw that conclusion.

Saguaro243April 12, 2018 02:40AM

  Re: I didn't draw that conclusion.

zn212April 12, 2018 01:05PM

  Those are good examples. Thanks. nm.

Saguaro162April 12, 2018 01:50PM

  Re: Those are good examples of bad one trick ponies

Speed_Kills178April 13, 2018 02:50AM

  Re: Those are good examples of bad one trick ponies

zn177April 13, 2018 03:12AM

  Re: I named one in the thread

Speed_Kills154April 13, 2018 03:19AM

  Re: I named one in the thread

zn196April 13, 2018 03:46AM

  Re: Then yeah we disagree

Speed_Kills137April 13, 2018 05:35AM

  we're just using the term differently

zn185April 13, 2018 05:48AM

  He is soft in a sense

Deadpool216April 12, 2018 03:14PM

  Nice, detailed reply. Thanks.

Saguaro207April 12, 2018 03:52PM

  I probably shouldn't have used miserable

Deadpool180April 12, 2018 04:01PM

  Re: I probably shouldn't have used miserable

dzrams169April 13, 2018 05:48AM

  Well stated...and spot on...

jemach194April 12, 2018 04:10PM

  I'm going to give Everett another year

Deadpool194April 12, 2018 04:50PM

  Re: Well stated...and spot on...

zn246April 12, 2018 05:34PM

  you don't pay him, the pick is a waste, & that's a problem

zn193April 12, 2018 05:19PM

  Sums up my feelings...nm

RFIP294April 11, 2018 05:18PM

  Yeah, I get there are doubts

RamEd426April 12, 2018 12:28PM

  I hope he does so well...

jemach273April 12, 2018 01:11PM

  Re: He has a proven track record

hammer393April 12, 2018 01:42PM

  Re: Cooks is who he is..............A legit #1 WR in the NFL.

oldschoolramfan203April 12, 2018 02:16PM

  Re: Cooks is who he is..............A legit #1 WR in the NFL.

zn192April 12, 2018 02:38PM

  Lots of folks doubted Woods in off season...Probably thought Prior better option

BumRap169April 12, 2018 09:18PM

  Re: Agree Bumrap..........

oldschoolramfan140April 13, 2018 10:20AM

  Re: laram sent me this clip on B Cooks

no name213April 12, 2018 02:41PM