March 26, 2018 08:50AM
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On the one hand I want to retain AD as a Ram all the way to his retirement. Always have, tbh. He’s such a joy to watch.

On the other hand my overriding goal is to do what’s best long term for the team. Team always trumps any single player. Even an AD.

With most players it’s pretty easy to make the call, but AD is not most players, is he?

I’ve heard the argument that the cap always goes up and therefore AD’s salary will become less of a drag over time. But here’s the thing. Other players are also getting inflated cap salaries as a result of that same rising cap. That’s the way inflation works. So yeah, the pie keeps getting bigger but so do all 53 of the slices. A rising tide sort of thing. IOW, the impact of AD’s coming contract will still pose problems that might limit the Rams in making desired personnel moves down the road, so let’s don’t kid ourselves about that.

I will always prioritize the team needs over any single player.

But, having said that, I can see both sides of this debate and I’m trying to keep an open mind about it.

Rams FO must make the call on the ceiling amount. At what point does AD’s salary start to have a net negative impact on the overall team results? I just dunno anymore.

And I think that keeping AD via 5th year option plus 2-3 tags is a legit option. It would permit more cap room to retain more desired players for 3-4 more seasons than would extending AD right now. That COULD mean keeping a Ram SB window open for another year or two longer.

Let me think about this some more...

YOu have the formula wrong. No one argues that Donald is affordable because the cap goes up. If you think that's the key argument on the other side, then you do not know the key argument on the other side. I realize some guys take that "that's not the argument" thing as taunting or bluffing or as a flame of some kind. And. No. If that's what you think the argument is, you do not know the argument you think you're countering.

Yes the cap goes up and so does the constant---study shows that winning teams devote 60% of their cap to 10 plays. That's a norm for winning teams. And that's regardless of how low or high the cap gets. It's always around 60%.

I estimate that with Donald, you make that 9 players instead of 10. So the question becomes, are you better off with Donald or with 2 other non-generational players? And to me, clearly, the answer is yes. You are better off with that rarest of all animals in the NFL (and I mean rare across league history)---the elite DT.

That's because an elite DT provides THAT MUCH to your offense. He has THAT MUCH of an effect on the overall defense.

So yes he's worth being one of the players who takes up 60% of the cap.

Can they afford that? Of course they can. Remember the study I cited is of winning teams. The highest contracts take up 60% of the cap. That's always. That's all the time. That's in every instance.

So...yeah, no number of non-generational players make up for losing a guy like that.





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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/26/2018 08:55AM by zn.
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  Being highest paid on defense might not be enough for Aaron Donald

RamBill794March 26, 2018 03:39AM

  Re: Being highest paid on defense might not be enough for Aaron Donald

zn264March 26, 2018 04:13AM

  Re:ALL of the qb's or just some of them?...NM

laram322March 26, 2018 04:46AM

  have to read it, I answer that (nm)

zn304March 26, 2018 05:16AM

  Re:I did and have not seen what you infer...

laram237March 26, 2018 05:24AM

  I'm going to put a number on it...

jemach227March 26, 2018 04:48AM

  Re: not comfortable w/ that number...

spagsbacker180March 26, 2018 05:48AM

  Re: not comfortable w/ that number...

zn179March 26, 2018 06:04AM

  One other point...

jemach159March 26, 2018 07:32AM

  Re: not comfortable w/ that number...

bigjimram21164March 26, 2018 11:41AM

  The odds of hitting on an Aaron Donald are so small..

jemach172March 26, 2018 07:23AM

  Re: The odds of hitting on an Aaron Donald are so small..

spagsbacker176March 26, 2018 07:37AM

  Goff would be the year after...

jemach155March 26, 2018 07:41AM

  Re: not comfortable w/ that number...

dzrams237March 26, 2018 07:28AM

  Is it just me...

jemach154March 26, 2018 07:34AM

  guaranteed $$ is what it's all about

LMU93168March 26, 2018 06:05AM

  in some senses that's true and in some senses it's not

zn172March 26, 2018 06:24AM

  My basic response to the AD situation

RFL180March 26, 2018 07:34AM

  this is what baffles me in these discussions

zn171March 26, 2018 08:42AM

  I’m kinda rethinking my AD position, now...

Rams43194March 26, 2018 08:40AM

  no

zn182March 26, 2018 08:50AM

  Re: no

Rams43179March 26, 2018 09:02AM

  Re: no

bigjimram21155March 26, 2018 11:24AM

  Re: no

zn184March 26, 2018 11:44AM

  Re: +1... NM

dzrams158March 26, 2018 12:17PM

  Re: no

bigjimram21193March 26, 2018 04:45PM

  Re: no

Coy Bacon163March 26, 2018 12:59PM

  Re: no

zn155March 26, 2018 01:20PM

  And what does that tell you?

jemach149March 26, 2018 01:32PM

  I didn't take it that way

zn159March 26, 2018 02:25PM

  silly stat

headslapper153March 26, 2018 02:20PM

  The cap going up is not a given

headslapper361March 26, 2018 12:44PM

  It kinda is

AlbaNY_Ram159March 26, 2018 01:04PM

  but it still goes up because of increasing revenue

headslapper158March 26, 2018 02:02PM

  That doesn't matter

AlbaNY_Ram171March 26, 2018 02:06PM

  Re: That doesn't matter

headslapper155March 26, 2018 02:22PM

  Re: The cap going up is not a given

zn166March 26, 2018 01:06PM

  Re: The cap going up is not a given

dzrams168March 26, 2018 01:39PM

  Re: The cap going up is not a given

zn152March 26, 2018 02:26PM