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Re:ALL of the qb's or just some of them?...NM

March 26, 2018 04:46AM
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Being highest paid on defense might not be enough for Aaron Donald

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In the salary cap world, 20 months is an eternity.That's the amount of time that has passed since the NFL's highest paid defensive player, Denver Broncos outside linebacker Von Miller, signed on the dotted line. It's enough time for Miller's contract to almost be considered obsolete as a potential comparison for Los Angeles Rams defensive tackle Aaron Donald, the man who is eventually expected to surpass Miller with his own extension.

When it comes to Donald, the most relevant question isn't necessarily how his contract should compare to Miller's; it's how many quarterbacks should rank ahead of him.

IMO Gonzalez is approaching this right. It's not hard to see that the way 2nd contracts work in the market, Donald will be getting more than Miller, but less than the most recent highest 2nd contracts for qbs. So that's between 19 M (way too low) and 28 M (it will be a long time before a non-qb gets a deal higher than the most recent qb signings). One difference I have with Gonzalez is that he doesn't put it in terms of 2nd contracts. But IMO you have to do that, because 3rd and 4th contracts are much more variable. They depend a lot more on things like the health of the player and other circumstances. 2nd contracts for starting qbs set the market, because you are paying for what will be assumed to be the player's premium years. After that, on 3rd and 4th contracts, it gets much more case by case depending on the player and his circumstances.

Anyway, this approach pretty much does away with the whole thing about "qb money." The much more realistic view is that a non-qb won't get more than THE MOST RECENT starting qbs who signed 2nd contracts. As was said, this year, that's 28 M.

That's better than the more amorphous idea that a non-qb can't sign for "qb money." You don't want to put it that way because it suggests that a qb contract amount from 3 years ago sets the market for non-qbs. That's just not how it works.(In fact, both Suh and Von Miller have already busted that idea. They signed for more than some qbs were getting at the time. But they DIDN'T sign for more than the most recent qb 2nd contracts).

It's always the most recent qb signings involving 2nd contracts.



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  Being highest paid on defense might not be enough for Aaron Donald

RamBill789March 26, 2018 03:39AM

  Re: Being highest paid on defense might not be enough for Aaron Donald

zn260March 26, 2018 04:13AM

  Re:ALL of the qb's or just some of them?...NM

laram319March 26, 2018 04:46AM

  have to read it, I answer that (nm)

zn302March 26, 2018 05:16AM

  Re:I did and have not seen what you infer...

laram233March 26, 2018 05:24AM

  I'm going to put a number on it...

jemach224March 26, 2018 04:48AM

  Re: not comfortable w/ that number...

spagsbacker176March 26, 2018 05:48AM

  Re: not comfortable w/ that number...

zn175March 26, 2018 06:04AM

  One other point...

jemach156March 26, 2018 07:32AM

  Re: not comfortable w/ that number...

bigjimram21159March 26, 2018 11:41AM

  The odds of hitting on an Aaron Donald are so small..

jemach169March 26, 2018 07:23AM

  Re: The odds of hitting on an Aaron Donald are so small..

spagsbacker172March 26, 2018 07:37AM

  Goff would be the year after...

jemach151March 26, 2018 07:41AM

  Re: not comfortable w/ that number...

dzrams233March 26, 2018 07:28AM

  Is it just me...

jemach150March 26, 2018 07:34AM

  guaranteed $$ is what it's all about

LMU93164March 26, 2018 06:05AM

  in some senses that's true and in some senses it's not

zn168March 26, 2018 06:24AM

  My basic response to the AD situation

RFL175March 26, 2018 07:34AM

  this is what baffles me in these discussions

zn167March 26, 2018 08:42AM

  I’m kinda rethinking my AD position, now...

Rams43190March 26, 2018 08:40AM

  no

zn178March 26, 2018 08:50AM

  Re: no

Rams43175March 26, 2018 09:02AM

  Re: no

bigjimram21150March 26, 2018 11:24AM

  Re: no

zn180March 26, 2018 11:44AM

  Re: +1... NM

dzrams155March 26, 2018 12:17PM

  Re: no

bigjimram21189March 26, 2018 04:45PM

  Re: no

Coy Bacon158March 26, 2018 12:59PM

  Re: no

zn149March 26, 2018 01:20PM

  And what does that tell you?

jemach146March 26, 2018 01:32PM

  I didn't take it that way

zn154March 26, 2018 02:25PM

  silly stat

headslapper148March 26, 2018 02:20PM

  The cap going up is not a given

headslapper356March 26, 2018 12:44PM

  It kinda is

AlbaNY_Ram155March 26, 2018 01:04PM

  but it still goes up because of increasing revenue

headslapper153March 26, 2018 02:02PM

  That doesn't matter

AlbaNY_Ram167March 26, 2018 02:06PM

  Re: That doesn't matter

headslapper150March 26, 2018 02:22PM

  Re: The cap going up is not a given

zn161March 26, 2018 01:06PM

  Re: The cap going up is not a given

dzrams163March 26, 2018 01:39PM

  Re: The cap going up is not a given

zn148March 26, 2018 02:26PM