March 13, 2018 08:52PM
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dzrams
IMO, from what I observed Donald's run defense was just as good as ever.
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Donald's top play versus the run is really just two things, he will go across the face of the guard and get into the gap and make the tackle for the loss and when the guard tries to outquick him and gets his hat ahead of Donald's then AD will "backdoor it"

In 2017 he didn't execute those moves like in past seasons and that is why his stuffs were down and in that part of his game did suffer and though numbers are not the only answer when you look at everything it does show the run defense was not what is has been. Maybe not by lot but while there could be some mitgation (like the old Sammy Watkins numbers debate) there is something to what I saw and it is reflected in the numbers.

Look at his tackles in 2015 compared to 2017. Look at the stuffs, he averaged 12 a year before and had 6.5 in 2015. Look at the PFF numbers he had 17 TFL in 2015 and just 7 last year.

So take a look, and come one, you have to admit at least I know what I am talking about. You can disagree but until I see some similar things backing up your point about Donald and Suh, it's hard to accept your opinion


And, now for Suh, read carefully what you posted—
"More importantly, Suh is versatile on passing downs. On top of 3-technique, he has
significant experience aligning at defensive end, standup joker and nose-shade.
"

On passing downs... Suh (and Donald and many others will move from time to time in order to get a certain look in the pass rush. But when I talk about Suh not being a scheme fit it is in the BASE defense, not the nickel

The run reads for a defensive lineman are different than the pass read. When we talk about the Rams in a 3-4 scheme that is for run downs or when offense is in base (21 or 12 personnel) in nickel (vs 10 or 11 personnel) they are not in a 3-4.

So, again, you are mixing apples and oranges. Suh may have done those things in their pass rush, but he's not done them full time, in base defense.

Not only that whoever wrote that blub things Suh is a 3-technique, which is only partially right. They are not writing accurately what Suh's position is in Miami's 4-3 and the two basic techniques he plays in base defense.

So you can believe that Suh would be great in between Donald and Brockers but it wouldn't work.

Even if Suh came and only played passing downs, where would he play? He's not a fit
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Maybe Suh not a terrible idea?

spagsbacker1090March 13, 2018 03:48PM

  Re: Maybe Suh not a terrible idea?

Classicalwit386March 13, 2018 03:56PM

  Wait...that was my post!

jemach373March 13, 2018 04:06PM

  Re: It will be a "Sign both" move.......Donald and Suh.

oldschoolramfan229March 19, 2018 05:30AM

  One can only hope...

jemach525March 19, 2018 05:34AM

  terrible idea, does not fit scheme

Blue and Gold355March 13, 2018 04:19PM

  Re: terrible idea, does not fit scheme

dzrams270March 13, 2018 04:43PM

  I said playing him as a 3-4 DE would be disaster

Blue and Gold588March 13, 2018 05:42PM

  Re: That ain't all you said bro....

dzrams275March 13, 2018 06:39PM

  And Donald wasn't a 10-sack, 10-stuff guy Attachments

Blue and Gold377March 13, 2018 06:51PM

  Re: If that's all you were focused on fine...

dzrams217March 13, 2018 07:05PM

  Do you see anything other than sacks and stuffs?.

Blue and Gold242March 13, 2018 07:12PM

  Based on what?

Blue and Gold267March 13, 2018 05:44PM

  Re: Based on what?

bigjimram21239March 13, 2018 06:10PM

  No reason to force anything

Blue and Gold239March 13, 2018 06:14PM

  Re: it's definitely not as foolish a thought as you say...

spagsbacker300March 14, 2018 12:29AM

  Aside from Dickerson lobbying for it what else is there?

Blue and Gold204March 14, 2018 12:40AM

  Re: Based on what?

dzrams243March 13, 2018 06:40PM

  No, it wasn't

Blue and Gold229March 13, 2018 06:57PM

  Re: It should have been, it was only 4 lines

dzrams241March 13, 2018 07:10PM

  Well, "better than ever" is an opinion I don't share

Blue and Gold239March 13, 2018 07:16PM

  Re: That's fair...I don't mind you having a different opinion...

dzrams382March 13, 2018 07:25PM

  Of course, anyone can be wrong

Blue and Gold228March 13, 2018 07:39PM

  Re: Of course, anyone can be wrong

dzrams251March 13, 2018 08:23PM

  Then why were his stuffs down?

Blue and Gold216March 13, 2018 08:52PM

  Re: Over a full season, who cares...

dzrams430March 13, 2018 09:45PM

  One last time Attachments

Blue and Gold217March 14, 2018 02:59PM

  Re: I responded to this last night, and both got deleted...Let's agree to disagree

dzrams173March 14, 2018 03:16PM

  I didn't see it

Blue and Gold170March 14, 2018 03:36PM

  Re: I know...that's b/c they both got deleted... Lol

dzrams226March 14, 2018 03:57PM

  That's fine

Blue and Gold230March 14, 2018 04:02PM

  hey B&G...a question....bout NT in Wade's defense....

SunTzu_vs_Camus291March 13, 2018 10:45PM

  No, a nose tackle in the base defense does not have

Blue and Gold326March 13, 2018 11:08PM

  interesting...thnx B&G

SunTzu_vs_Camus363March 13, 2018 11:17PM

  I think the times we were gashed

Blue and Gold247March 13, 2018 11:28PM

  it's only from stuff I read bout his rosters along with the guys you posted about....

SunTzu_vs_Camus362March 13, 2018 11:33PM

  Our LBs weren't physical enough...

jemach172March 14, 2018 05:01PM

  My observation was they got wired to blockers

Blue and Gold215March 14, 2018 06:43PM

  Zine It !!!

RamsFanSince69200March 14, 2018 05:20AM

  Re: definitely NOT a terrible idea...

spagsbacker300March 14, 2018 12:42AM

  No

Blue and Gold280March 14, 2018 10:58AM

  Re: Maybe you need to give Snead a lesson?

spagsbacker226March 19, 2018 04:40AM

  C'mon man...

jemach233March 19, 2018 04:49AM

  Re: C'mon man...

spagsbacker226March 19, 2018 04:56AM

  I think signing Suh...

jemach202March 19, 2018 05:08AM

  Re: You're missing the point...

dzrams233March 19, 2018 05:34AM

  Go back to initial response...

jemach206March 19, 2018 05:41AM

  Re: Still missing the point...

dzrams218March 19, 2018 06:07AM

  Apparantly I misunderstood that "spare me" comment...

jemach189March 19, 2018 06:40AM

  Re: Thanks DZ...

spagsbacker204March 19, 2018 05:49AM

  Re:Question my fine feathered friend......

laram177March 19, 2018 06:12AM

  Re: Re:Question my fine feathered friend......

dzrams213March 19, 2018 07:40AM

  Re: Last hooray....

laram225March 19, 2018 08:00AM

  And in another thread I said I would ADMIT

Blue and Gold201March 19, 2018 12:15PM

  You really think Wade would OK Suh if he didn't have a plan for him?

RamBum244March 19, 2018 04:51AM

  Fantastic dialogue in this thread

no name210March 19, 2018 07:49AM

  the problem with him is his ill timing penalties

Rams_81225March 19, 2018 07:52AM