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Re: Over a full season, who cares...

March 13, 2018 09:45PM
I'm not seeing the lack of 3.5 tackles behind the line of scrimmage being a significant thing. That definitely doesn't prove he was worse in run D since there is a whole lot more that goes into run D than just stuffs.

But if you want an explanation it's fairly simple IMO.

It's one number you didn't circle over on the far left. Games: 14.

He missed 2 games, he was rusty for 2 others. That's a quarter of the season. That's significant. He also missed training camp which is when the D was installed. That takes some time to acclimate to.

If it wasn't for the missed time, I'm sure his numbers would have been the same as previous years. And of course you should know that fluctuation from year to year is normal. Why aren't you asking why TFL's decreased from 17 to 11 in 2016?

Since you brought up PFF, let's talk about this.

You can't cherry pick! If you're going to use PFF, then you need to use their full analysis. As I mentioned, IIRC, PFF rated 2017 as the highest run defense grade
for his career.

TFLs are awesome. But PFF is also measuring other things that go into run D. For example, how many times did he too aggressively overcharge the gap letting the RB through? The TFL and run stuff metrics don't capture that. PFF does.

My opinion - which I believe was backed by PFF - says there was no drop off in run D. If anything, he's getting better.

Bottom line for me on AD is, 2017 was his most dominant season to date despite the scheme change, the missed time, and the rusty getting up to speed period.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. At this point, we really should agree to disagree.

On Suh, now you're saying he's not lined up elsewhere full time when at first you said he hadn't done it at all.

I saw that it said passing downs; I was just using it to counter the 'he's never lined up anywhere else but 3-tech' narrative.

He's a great run defender. So since he's done it on passing downs, I bet he can do it on running downs.

This is where I return to my mantra: greatness supersedes scheme fit concerns.

Wade would throw Suh in there - like he did Ethan Westbrooks who btw also had no NT experience - and he would dominate, fit or not. Why? Because he's a great player.

You're all caught up in the HOW things would work. And I'm focused on WHY it would work.

A general rule of life that I've observed is, the WHY trumps HOW....every time.

I'm done.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Maybe Suh not a terrible idea?

spagsbacker1087March 13, 2018 03:48PM

  Re: Maybe Suh not a terrible idea?

Classicalwit385March 13, 2018 03:56PM

  Wait...that was my post!

jemach369March 13, 2018 04:06PM

  Re: It will be a "Sign both" move.......Donald and Suh.

oldschoolramfan226March 19, 2018 05:30AM

  One can only hope...

jemach519March 19, 2018 05:34AM

  terrible idea, does not fit scheme

Blue and Gold353March 13, 2018 04:19PM

  Re: terrible idea, does not fit scheme

dzrams268March 13, 2018 04:43PM

  I said playing him as a 3-4 DE would be disaster

Blue and Gold587March 13, 2018 05:42PM

  Re: That ain't all you said bro....

dzrams272March 13, 2018 06:39PM

  And Donald wasn't a 10-sack, 10-stuff guy Attachments

Blue and Gold375March 13, 2018 06:51PM

  Re: If that's all you were focused on fine...

dzrams216March 13, 2018 07:05PM

  Do you see anything other than sacks and stuffs?.

Blue and Gold239March 13, 2018 07:12PM

  Based on what?

Blue and Gold264March 13, 2018 05:44PM

  Re: Based on what?

bigjimram21236March 13, 2018 06:10PM

  No reason to force anything

Blue and Gold238March 13, 2018 06:14PM

  Re: it's definitely not as foolish a thought as you say...

spagsbacker298March 14, 2018 12:29AM

  Aside from Dickerson lobbying for it what else is there?

Blue and Gold202March 14, 2018 12:40AM

  Re: Based on what?

dzrams240March 13, 2018 06:40PM

  No, it wasn't

Blue and Gold227March 13, 2018 06:57PM

  Re: It should have been, it was only 4 lines

dzrams239March 13, 2018 07:10PM

  Well, "better than ever" is an opinion I don't share

Blue and Gold237March 13, 2018 07:16PM

  Re: That's fair...I don't mind you having a different opinion...

dzrams379March 13, 2018 07:25PM

  Of course, anyone can be wrong

Blue and Gold226March 13, 2018 07:39PM

  Re: Of course, anyone can be wrong

dzrams248March 13, 2018 08:23PM

  Then why were his stuffs down?

Blue and Gold215March 13, 2018 08:52PM

  Re: Over a full season, who cares...

dzrams427March 13, 2018 09:45PM

  One last time Attachments

Blue and Gold215March 14, 2018 02:59PM

  Re: I responded to this last night, and both got deleted...Let's agree to disagree

dzrams172March 14, 2018 03:16PM

  I didn't see it

Blue and Gold167March 14, 2018 03:36PM

  Re: I know...that's b/c they both got deleted... Lol

dzrams223March 14, 2018 03:57PM

  That's fine

Blue and Gold228March 14, 2018 04:02PM

  hey B&G...a question....bout NT in Wade's defense....

SunTzu_vs_Camus288March 13, 2018 10:45PM

  No, a nose tackle in the base defense does not have

Blue and Gold324March 13, 2018 11:08PM

  interesting...thnx B&G

SunTzu_vs_Camus360March 13, 2018 11:17PM

  I think the times we were gashed

Blue and Gold244March 13, 2018 11:28PM

  it's only from stuff I read bout his rosters along with the guys you posted about....

SunTzu_vs_Camus360March 13, 2018 11:33PM

  Our LBs weren't physical enough...

jemach169March 14, 2018 05:01PM

  My observation was they got wired to blockers

Blue and Gold212March 14, 2018 06:43PM

  Zine It !!!

RamsFanSince69197March 14, 2018 05:20AM

  Re: definitely NOT a terrible idea...

spagsbacker298March 14, 2018 12:42AM

  No

Blue and Gold278March 14, 2018 10:58AM

  Re: Maybe you need to give Snead a lesson?

spagsbacker224March 19, 2018 04:40AM

  C'mon man...

jemach230March 19, 2018 04:49AM

  Re: C'mon man...

spagsbacker225March 19, 2018 04:56AM

  I think signing Suh...

jemach201March 19, 2018 05:08AM

  Re: You're missing the point...

dzrams232March 19, 2018 05:34AM

  Go back to initial response...

jemach203March 19, 2018 05:41AM

  Re: Still missing the point...

dzrams215March 19, 2018 06:07AM

  Apparantly I misunderstood that "spare me" comment...

jemach187March 19, 2018 06:40AM

  Re: Thanks DZ...

spagsbacker203March 19, 2018 05:49AM

  Re:Question my fine feathered friend......

laram174March 19, 2018 06:12AM

  Re: Re:Question my fine feathered friend......

dzrams210March 19, 2018 07:40AM

  Re: Last hooray....

laram222March 19, 2018 08:00AM

  And in another thread I said I would ADMIT

Blue and Gold198March 19, 2018 12:15PM

  You really think Wade would OK Suh if he didn't have a plan for him?

RamBum242March 19, 2018 04:51AM

  Fantastic dialogue in this thread

no name208March 19, 2018 07:49AM

  the problem with him is his ill timing penalties

Rams_81223March 19, 2018 07:52AM