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December 19, 2017 01:33PM
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EastRam
Question. Do people that have watched the NFL for 40 years have an educated opinion?

Or do they have to break down film?

You know the fans that have watched 4 generations of NFL QB's. Do those fans have to breakdown film or does the 40 years of watching the NFL qualify as credentials?

What are the qualifications of an NFL expert?

I think the 40 year "real" fan that has watched all the great and scrub QB's that have graced an NFL field are just as qualified to distinguish between a pocket passer and Fran Tarkenton

Opinion of course.

It depends on what they try to parlay that information into.

If they are giving a general opinion about something to do with the game then yeah. But they if the discussion is about something specific, then no. In this case the discussion was about Russell Wilson. It was a very narrow discussion. Someone suggested one thing, then someone suggested something else and used the opinion of someone who spends a lot of time watching, studying, and breaking down film. That person was ripped a new one for some reason.

So, in this case, if the subject was about some part of Wilson's game and one person who "watched 40 years", and the things you mention said "A-B-C"

And someone like Cian Fahey, who breaks down films, charts throws, etc said "X-Y-Z" then there is not even a question that the "X-Y-Z" answer has far more credibility.

I think TV watching, beer drinking NFL fans are fine for general things, but when they come up against someone who makes a passion out of something they lose, big-time.

And for the record I don't know Cian, never met, never spoken, emailed or Twittered him. I hear, based on some Tweets I follow, that he's kind of a jerk, that he has a thin skin... but that's neither her nor there. All I know is his stuff is well researched and he's a smart guy.

I get your point and agree totally in a laboratory of stats.

But on a football field. RW. Is not a pocket passer to lead a team to victory.

Purely as a pocket passer he would be average at best. RW and the Seahawks win based on his legs not his arm.

Granted. His stats may be better in the pocket as far as percentages but not as game changing plays. He can't make game changing plays from the pocket on the same level as he does from buying time with his legs.

So for me. A better stat line would be percentage of plays from the pocket vs percentage of plays from school yard plays that changed the outcome of a game is a better measuring stick.

RW could be 10 for 10 from the pocket for 60 yards and a FG. but 1 for 3 for 80 running around. and the 1 for 3 That resulted in 7.

Just difficult to measure.

So for me Anyho. I'll take the 40 years experience (no beer) which is a much broader opinion.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Making Wilson a pocket passer turns him into ordinary.

RockRam554December 19, 2017 03:55AM

  Re: Right nevermind having the worst o-line in football..

laram322December 19, 2017 04:24AM

  Don't buy it. Those stats don't have enough context.

RockRam239December 19, 2017 04:33AM

  Yep. Fahey is an imposter from across the pond

max401December 19, 2017 04:37AM

  Re: Okay you provide some data that supports your assertion...

laram217December 19, 2017 11:21AM

  I really believe this is one of those things...

JamesJM344December 19, 2017 11:26AM

  Re: That sums it up perfectly Jimmy...NM

laram212December 19, 2017 01:21PM

  Shooting the messenger

BumRap201December 19, 2017 01:03PM

  Fahey? Thats the same idiot who said Wentz wouldn't be any good.

max241December 19, 2017 04:35AM

  I read his stuff, I don;t agree always but he does his due dilligence

Blue and Gold216December 19, 2017 09:59AM

  Re: It's internet trolling at its worst...NM

laram215December 19, 2017 11:00AM

  give me a break...

max213December 19, 2017 11:30AM

  Re: give me a break...

stlrams13257December 19, 2017 11:38AM

  The only problem is some people have informed opinions

Blue and Gold226December 19, 2017 11:52AM

  Re: The only problem is some people have informed opinions

EastRam212December 19, 2017 12:51PM

  Depends

Blue and Gold209December 19, 2017 01:02PM

  Re: Depends

EastRam239December 19, 2017 01:33PM

  Give me a break

Blue and Gold202December 19, 2017 11:51AM

  Re: Give me a break

max312December 19, 2017 01:28PM

  That's likely true.

Blue and Gold197December 19, 2017 01:32PM

  Re: That's likely true.

max211December 19, 2017 01:45PM

  Well

Blue and Gold191December 19, 2017 01:48PM

  Re: Well

max189December 19, 2017 02:06PM

  I mean football

Blue and Gold179December 19, 2017 02:16PM

  Then don’t call it work

max211December 19, 2017 02:25PM

  Re: Then don’t call it work Attachments

Blue and Gold205December 19, 2017 02:30PM

  Nice place to end this. nm

max171December 19, 2017 02:47PM

  what pocket?

21Dog342December 19, 2017 04:47AM

  Re: what pocket?

LMU93251December 19, 2017 05:20AM

  I more or less agree with that. But....

RockRam381December 19, 2017 05:35AM

  Re: lol this year? Lol nm

Speed_Kills194December 19, 2017 07:30AM

  Re: Wilson is a serious talent. One of the premier players in the league

Speed_Kills210December 19, 2017 07:27AM

  I think their trajectory is heading down

ferragamo79219December 19, 2017 07:36AM

  Re: Wilson is a serious talent. One of the premier players in the league

Classicalwit201December 19, 2017 10:30AM

  with all due respect

stlrams13218December 19, 2017 10:47AM

  Re: Making Wilson a pocket passer turns him into ordinary.

cool_hand_luke262December 19, 2017 09:52AM

  I agree...

JamesJM344December 19, 2017 10:52AM

  Re: Making Wilson a pocket passer turns him into ordinary.

Rampage2K-217December 19, 2017 11:00AM

  Yeah, nothing ordinary about him, not even in the pocket..

JamesJM422December 19, 2017 11:17AM

  I have to disagree

BumRap194December 19, 2017 12:56PM