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QB ratings playing under Fisher:
Sam Bradford- 85.3
Case Keenum- 79.5
Jared Goff- 63.6

After leaving Fisher:
Sam Bradford- 94.6
Case Keenum- 94.4
Jared Goff- 112.2

Another variable. What happens when you run the same numbers with the same people and compare with and without a running game.

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I wonder who should be blamed for Fisher lacking a running game?

Hint: That was a rhetorical question.

Exactly 43, exactly. The proof is in the pudding, as they say.

In 2016? It was a lot of things. One of them being Gurley himself.

A lot went wrong in 2016. Those who try to reduce it to just one or two things always strike me as being way too reductive.

But here's a hint for you. They had a decent running game for 5 years. When it was Keenum and Gurley in 2015, this was Keenum's avg. qb rating in the last 4 games: 90.8.

Here's Keenum's avg. qb rating in 2016, when he never had a running game: 76.4

Here's another one, the qb's first 4 games of 2013 when there was no running game: 75.75. In the next 3 games of 2013, same qb, but at that point they were starting Stacy and pounded out a decent running game: 110.9.

Again, as for the run game in 2016, there are so many causes that it;s a long list. It's not reducible to just one cause. One of the causes was Gurley himself. He doesn't take the full reductive blame for it though because as I said it was more than one thing.

Things are rarely as simple as people want them to be when they want them to be simple. cool smiley


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You know what? Nobody has said "it was just one thing." Of course many factors go into how a season unfolds; nobody denies that. What people are saying is that the difference in coaching between Fisher and his staff vs. McVay and his staff is undeniable. Can we just leave it at that?

I agree with that to this extent---McVay and his staff are better than MOST coaching staffs.

Who would you trade for McVay right now? I wouldn't trade anyone for him, not even BB because I think he's a creepy cheater.

And yes people try to reduce 2016 to one thing. It's normal practice in fact. You see it all the time. I find myself kind of at a loss with that because it really was many things. That to me is just objectively, analytically true. For example I don't exempt Gurley from criticism for his performance in 2016. It wasn't just him but he contributed. It was also other things like (to pick just one) Boras as a first time coordinator installing basically a new offense during a move. That combination of things sure didn't help.

So look how things are just not that simple. Like I said compare Keenum in the last 4 games when he had a running game to 2016 when he didn't. That doesn't reduce to Keenum playing poorly with the Rams to playing better with the Vikings. It's just plain not that simple. Things seldom are that simple.



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SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Do you think Fisher was watching?

RamUK1175October 02, 2017 03:24AM

  Yeah, from his Flintstone TV set.

max961October 02, 2017 03:32AM

  Re: Yeah, from his Flintstone TV set.

21Dog448October 02, 2017 04:42AM

  Re: Fisher messed up

Speed_Kills363October 02, 2017 06:54AM

  What top flight OC..

Ramsfsninmd365October 02, 2017 06:56AM

  Exactly

The_Bad_Guy268October 02, 2017 07:05AM

  Re: Exactly.....Fisher kept Boras....

oldschoolramfan271October 02, 2017 07:32AM

  He was on his ranch sleeping on the pile of $$$ we begged him to take.

guinnessram421October 02, 2017 07:01AM

  We are very lucky for Fisher

RAMSINCE ARNETT283October 02, 2017 07:16AM

  QB ratings since leaving Fisher

LMU93311October 02, 2017 07:16AM

  Re: QB ratings since leaving Fisher

zn332October 02, 2017 07:45AM

  Re: QB ratings since leaving Fisher

Rams43296October 02, 2017 07:49AM

  Re: QB ratings since leaving Fisher

RamsFanSinceLA269October 02, 2017 08:16AM

  Re: QB ratings since leaving Fisher

zn309October 02, 2017 08:59AM

  Re: QB ratings since leaving Fisher

RamsFanSinceLA230October 02, 2017 09:04AM

  Re: QB ratings since leaving Fisher

zn244October 02, 2017 10:32AM

  It is not 1 thing but 3 things

Rams_81205October 02, 2017 02:41PM

  I

jemach199October 02, 2017 02:47PM

  wow, I can’t believe my eyes...

max196October 02, 2017 03:44PM

  Re: QB ratings since leaving Fisher

guinnessram233October 02, 2017 11:26AM

  +1 nm

Ram Fan Teacher197October 02, 2017 01:39PM

  staggering facts and I remember Foles doing

Rams_81397October 02, 2017 07:46AM

  Re: QB ratings since leaving Fisher

Killrazor227October 02, 2017 09:45AM

  Fisher's tenure w/the Rams...

Suh-weet!297October 02, 2017 08:36AM

  Good points

RamUK232October 02, 2017 10:08AM

  Re: Fisher's tenure w/the Rams...

dzrams228October 02, 2017 10:24AM

  Re: Fisher's tenure w/the Rams...

zn231October 02, 2017 10:46AM

  Re: Fisher's tenure w/the Rams...

dzrams245October 02, 2017 01:16PM

  Re: Fisher's tenure w/the Rams...

zn386October 02, 2017 02:16PM

  Re: Fisher's tenure w/the Rams...

dzrams208October 02, 2017 02:24PM

  Re: Fisher's tenure w/the Rams...

zn212October 02, 2017 02:45PM

  Smart and classy post -nm

Old Goat183October 02, 2017 01:44PM

  To be honest, I feel a bit sorry for him...

JamesJM394October 02, 2017 09:23AM

  Hard to Prove?

Rams_81244October 02, 2017 09:49AM

  Re: Hard to Prove?

Killrazor267October 02, 2017 09:57AM

  I don't actually agree fully with zn about this... BUT...

JamesJM207October 02, 2017 10:06AM

  Me too until I saw the Amazon program Jimmy

RamUK244October 02, 2017 10:06AM

  Yeah, I didn't see that.. but I take your word for it...

JamesJM221October 02, 2017 10:11AM

  I am sure he is taking credit for the turnaround

Atlantic Ram260October 02, 2017 09:38AM

  That made me laugh!

RamUK386October 02, 2017 10:08AM

  Re: That made me laugh!

CraigMatson291October 02, 2017 10:22AM

  It hadn't crossed my mind before

RamUK262October 02, 2017 10:34AM

  Re: It hadn't crossed my mind before

CraigMatson243October 02, 2017 10:58AM

  I hope so!

jemach221October 02, 2017 02:38PM