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October 02, 2017 02:16PM
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That it was almost all coaching was very evident to me by the fact that the only hits they did have in the draft were on the D side of the ball where good coaches and scheme were in place.

If the Rams succeed going forward, which I have no doubt they will, that offense will include (or at least presently includes) one carry over from 2010 and at least 5 guys who were drafted from 2015-16. Compare that to Pete Carroll in Seattle. By the time Carroll started winning (in his 3rd year) not one single offensive starter remained from before he was there. For that matter with the Vermeil Rams, in 99 they had a total of 2 starters on offense who were there from before the time he was hired (it's Miller and Bruce...though Conwell was injured in 99).

And since they were young in 2015-16, it's hard to say they "didn't develop."

Now if you just rest on saying that McV and his staff are as a group better coaching offense, I doubt anyone would disagree. But then I also think that's true of McV and his staff v. much of the entire league.


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I agree that players drafted in 2015-16 were still developing but neither of the main two players in Goff and Gurley were looking good at all. Now it's night and day.

And we explain that in completely different ways. Neither one of us of course gets to call on the football gods to judge our truth.

But. From what I saw, and from what some key stats show me, Gurley regressed all on his own last year. There are a lot of causes for that, but they include the fact that he himself said he did not start working out in the off-season "for one or two months." In other words, later than usual. And to me he did not look like he had a strong grasp on the offense, which is at least in part because it was basically a new system installed by a first-time coordinator during a move, which, added up, is not a formula for a superbowl run.

And not one single Air Raid college offense qb has ever become a continuing viable starter in the NFL, and they say that's largely because they have so much to learn to become pro qbs. Goff is the first. A near runner-up was Foles, but then that was an illusion fostered by him playing in a qb friendly spread under Kelly. When he had to play in a pro system he melted down. So Goff is the first...which has to do with the fact that he arrived in the league THAT green. In fact I only saw a handful of analysts who said, give him time, he is an Air Raid qb and they don't even know how to call plays yet, let alone read pro defenses etc )and the etc is a long list).

In short. Gurley regressed and Goff was THAT green. Bad combo since a rookie qb needs a strong running game if he is going to play even decent.

McVay has done good things with those guys but Gurley's regression and Goff's greenness are among the many things that made 2016 what it was. To be fair I called Goff's greeness before the season and even before camp, since I knew the history of Air Raid qbs (and still applauded the pick).

If you disagree, okay. We just see it differently.



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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2017 02:30PM by zn.
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  Do you think Fisher was watching?

RamUK1172October 02, 2017 03:24AM

  Yeah, from his Flintstone TV set.

max959October 02, 2017 03:32AM

  Re: Yeah, from his Flintstone TV set.

21Dog446October 02, 2017 04:42AM

  Re: Fisher messed up

Speed_Kills361October 02, 2017 06:54AM

  What top flight OC..

Ramsfsninmd363October 02, 2017 06:56AM

  Exactly

The_Bad_Guy267October 02, 2017 07:05AM

  Re: Exactly.....Fisher kept Boras....

oldschoolramfan270October 02, 2017 07:32AM

  He was on his ranch sleeping on the pile of $$$ we begged him to take.

guinnessram418October 02, 2017 07:01AM

  We are very lucky for Fisher

RAMSINCE ARNETT281October 02, 2017 07:16AM

  QB ratings since leaving Fisher

LMU93311October 02, 2017 07:16AM

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zn331October 02, 2017 07:45AM

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Rams43294October 02, 2017 07:49AM

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RamsFanSinceLA268October 02, 2017 08:16AM

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zn308October 02, 2017 08:59AM

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RamsFanSinceLA229October 02, 2017 09:04AM

  Re: QB ratings since leaving Fisher

zn243October 02, 2017 10:32AM

  It is not 1 thing but 3 things

Rams_81204October 02, 2017 02:41PM

  I

jemach198October 02, 2017 02:47PM

  wow, I can’t believe my eyes...

max195October 02, 2017 03:44PM

  Re: QB ratings since leaving Fisher

guinnessram232October 02, 2017 11:26AM

  +1 nm

Ram Fan Teacher195October 02, 2017 01:39PM

  staggering facts and I remember Foles doing

Rams_81396October 02, 2017 07:46AM

  Re: QB ratings since leaving Fisher

Killrazor225October 02, 2017 09:45AM

  Fisher's tenure w/the Rams...

Suh-weet!295October 02, 2017 08:36AM

  Good points

RamUK231October 02, 2017 10:08AM

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dzrams227October 02, 2017 10:24AM

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zn229October 02, 2017 10:46AM

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dzrams244October 02, 2017 01:16PM

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zn382October 02, 2017 02:16PM

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dzrams207October 02, 2017 02:24PM

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zn210October 02, 2017 02:45PM

  Smart and classy post -nm

Old Goat182October 02, 2017 01:44PM

  To be honest, I feel a bit sorry for him...

JamesJM393October 02, 2017 09:23AM

  Hard to Prove?

Rams_81243October 02, 2017 09:49AM

  Re: Hard to Prove?

Killrazor265October 02, 2017 09:57AM

  I don't actually agree fully with zn about this... BUT...

JamesJM205October 02, 2017 10:06AM

  Me too until I saw the Amazon program Jimmy

RamUK243October 02, 2017 10:06AM

  Yeah, I didn't see that.. but I take your word for it...

JamesJM220October 02, 2017 10:11AM

  I am sure he is taking credit for the turnaround

Atlantic Ram260October 02, 2017 09:38AM

  That made me laugh!

RamUK385October 02, 2017 10:08AM

  Re: That made me laugh!

CraigMatson290October 02, 2017 10:22AM

  It hadn't crossed my mind before

RamUK261October 02, 2017 10:34AM

  Re: It hadn't crossed my mind before

CraigMatson242October 02, 2017 10:58AM

  I hope so!

jemach220October 02, 2017 02:38PM