August 05, 2017 10:47AM
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Florida_Ram
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Rampage2K-
Sorry....I'll take someone who actually knows QB's word over a producer of NFL Films....

He lost all credibility with the toughness comments.


Go to the 29:00 minute mark.



Cosell's comments about Goff's toughness seems to have been taken out of context Rp2K.

Colin Cowherd asks "What concerns you with Goff?"

Cosell answers saying.. He clearly had the look of a quarterback that saw 15 defenders on the field. Not eleven and I'm sure if you asked him he would say that.

The word I like to use with quarterbacks, we always hear process information, I like to use the word Isolate. He really struggled to isolate where to throw the football within the timing and structure of the offense.

He was not getting a clear picture.

He just, and I've talked to quarterbacks about this a lot. When you drop back it just seems like there are bodies, no definition. And he was just seeing bodies.

There were numerous plays I watched, where he dropped back, the design of the play was there, but he just didn't see it. And you could tell because he moved before the route concept developed.

And the thing I think he's going to have to learn in the NFL, he's going to have to learn how to be a lot tougher in the pocket.

You're going to have to wait and let things develop. And you know what, there are a lot of bodies around you, that's NFL football.

Because he ultimately is a pocket quarterback Colin, which means he's going to have to be able to make throws as we say, late in the down, late within the structure of the pass game, and the timing of the pass game, and he's going to have to be precisely accurate.

He was not precisely accurate last year.



Cosell's explanation of learning how to be a lot tougher in the pocket was him merely saying that he moved before the route concept developed.

I believe his explanation had nothing to do with Goff not being tough and willing to take hits. We all know that he's clearly willing to take a beating.

When a quarterback moves from the pocket a tad bit early, there is mental toughness and a processing skill required to hang in there another half of a second longer and being able to see the rest of the play develop before jumping ship.

JG didn't have that processing ability last season and Cosell was only saying that was a necessary step needed for him to properly take the next step because his strength is that of a pure pocket passer..

I myself think he's more mobile with the ability to slide outside of the pocket than Cosell might believe, but Cosell is on point with the moving early (not throwing the ball away and taking the sack)

Being able to tough it out for another quarter of a second and wait for (seeing) the play to develop before making that final last millisecond decision, is what the good quarterbacks are able to make. I'm sure you very well know this Rp2K and unless I'm out to lunch and misread Cosell, that is exactly how I interpreted his analysis.


we all fail in this category being on a message board



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SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  It really doesn't get any better than this...

laram1160August 05, 2017 05:37AM

  This won't play well here

RFIP442August 05, 2017 06:03AM

  So who's right? Cosell or McVay?

max286August 05, 2017 06:14AM

  I haven't listened yet, but if...

RamUK270August 05, 2017 07:34AM

  Re: I haven't listened yet, but if...

zn248August 05, 2017 07:43AM

  100% agreement....

JamesJM264August 05, 2017 08:55AM

  Re: That happens Jimmy...

laram238August 05, 2017 09:18AM

  Re: That happens Jimmy...

JamesJM199August 05, 2017 09:24AM

  Re: That what is a non- factor?...nm

laram208August 05, 2017 09:31AM

  His toughness being in question...

JamesJM197August 05, 2017 09:37AM

  Re: Greg Cosell *never* questioned his toughness...

laram229August 05, 2017 09:46AM

  Re: 100% agreement....

zn256August 05, 2017 10:09AM

  I don't know what they said, I didn't listen to it...

JamesJM188August 05, 2017 10:28AM

  okay (nm)

zn204August 05, 2017 10:35AM

  Toughness and "smarts" are 2 different things though

RFIP234August 05, 2017 09:02AM

  and experience is a third thing entirely

zn233August 05, 2017 09:07AM

  Wentz flawed throwing motion (video)

RFIP229August 05, 2017 09:09AM

  Ever see that meme.....

JamesJM221August 05, 2017 09:34AM

  Meh, that wasn't as substantial as I expected. And on 'toughness'

rambleon280August 05, 2017 06:25AM

  wasn't just the OL

zn265August 05, 2017 06:53AM

  Cosell has typical limitations..

zn336August 05, 2017 06:40AM

  Re: He made absolutely no conclusions...

laram306August 05, 2017 06:49AM

  Re: Time to move on zn..........nm

Anonymous User271August 05, 2017 07:45AM

  Re: He made absolutely no conclusions...

no name203August 05, 2017 03:48PM

  Re: He made absolutely no conclusions...

Anonymous User264August 05, 2017 04:37PM

  doesn't get any better than this...Cosell is good I enjoyed that

Anonymous User240August 05, 2017 06:44AM

  Re:Yep his insight on Rodgers and Cam was also spot on...NM

laram219August 05, 2017 06:51AM

  his insight on Rodgers and Cam was also spot on...NM

Anonymous User445August 05, 2017 07:20AM

  Re: It really doesn't get any better than this.....YES IT DOES

Rampage2K-311August 05, 2017 09:28AM

  doesn't get any better than this..YES IT DOES. Misunderstood?

Anonymous User304August 05, 2017 10:44AM

  Re:Well done Florida that is 100% correct....NM

laram232August 05, 2017 10:47AM

  Re: doesn't get any better than this..YES IT DOES. Misunderstood?

Rampage2K-274August 05, 2017 11:00AM

  Florida---a reason there are differences of opinion on this

zn238August 05, 2017 02:07PM

  Re: Florida---a reason there are differences of opinion on this

Rampage2K-215August 05, 2017 02:16PM

  Re: Florida---a reason there are differences of opinion on this

zn213August 05, 2017 02:24PM

  Florida a reason there are differences of opinion. A response if?

Anonymous User231August 05, 2017 03:32PM

  Re: Florida a reason there are differences of opinion. A response if?

zn375August 05, 2017 03:57PM

  ....YES IT DOES, Waldman is better

max208August 05, 2017 12:23PM

  Re: Sigh...

laram265August 05, 2017 12:43PM

  CTE?

max200August 05, 2017 01:20PM

  Re: CTE?

Rampage2K-208August 05, 2017 01:38PM

  waiting for Goff

wv ram216August 05, 2017 01:17PM

  Re: waiting for Goff

max319August 05, 2017 01:23PM

  i have no words

wv ram395August 05, 2017 03:13PM

  Only words I have are...

max218August 05, 2017 03:21PM

  ...your honor

wv ram243August 05, 2017 01:02PM

  Re: ...your honor

Rampage2K-240August 05, 2017 01:39PM

  I truly believe

Deadpool189August 05, 2017 02:32PM