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Re: Is Head Coaching success as much luck as greatness)

July 17, 2017 02:22PM
I already answered this in part...but then the phrasing struck me: is Head Coaching success as much luck as greatness?

I would never say it's "as much." Though it's also unclear how literally to take that phrase...does it literally mean luck is an equal factor?

I would say that top and dynasty-level head coaches have all had some luck now and then. It's just part of the equation. But no one can get by counting on luck. It doesn't count "as much," I would say, as coaching ability. Luck in itself didn't make those guys what that are but I would say they all had some luck now and then.

Bellichick for example was always going to be a great coach, but, did the Patz luck into Brady? In a sense yes. They always claimed they liked him because of his mental make-up, but they had so many other needs they couldn;t think about taking a qb before the third round. So is it luck, or not, that no one else took him? In part yes, in part they saw things others didn't, which is due to their own research.

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[www.businessinsider.com]

"Every round, we're looking at Brady," Pioli said. "When it got to the sixth round — we had the [draft] board stacked vertically [with columns moving left to right] — by the time we got to the sixth round, Brady is all the way over to the left by himself and we said 'what are we doing?' ... everyone liked Brady ... so we took him."

The value of a player they liked at that point of the draft outweighed other needs the team still had.

Luck is probably a stronger factor for the next tier of coaches, the really good ones who always have a chance at a superbowl but usually only get to one or two. Sometimes things bounce their way and they can leap over the pack; sometimes things bounce the wrong way and they fall just short in a given year. Sometimes it has nothing to do with being unlucky or lucky and they just manage to have a strong hand in a given year and play it right.

But luck is always part of football, however small a part, because the game has so many separate and different things to account for. 3 different units with more than 22 players and an oblong-shaped ball that can bounce strange. Unexpected things just happen, good and bad.



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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/17/2017 02:26PM by zn.
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  Is Head Coaching success as much luck as greatness)

RamUK679July 15, 2017 04:18AM

  Re: Is Head Coaching success as much luck as greatness)

Rams43329July 15, 2017 06:44AM

  Re: I disagree...

laram296July 15, 2017 06:59AM

  Re: I disagree...

Rams43286July 15, 2017 07:25AM

  Re: I didn't at all 43....

laram278July 15, 2017 07:46AM

  Re: I didn't at all 43....

Rams43265July 15, 2017 08:05AM

  I agree about Brady

RamUK284July 15, 2017 08:48AM

  No QB is willing a bad team to the playoffs

Flipper336271July 16, 2017 05:22AM

  And

RFIP251July 16, 2017 10:50AM

  Great players v Team Success

RFL298July 15, 2017 09:13AM

  Re: Great players v Team Success

laram423July 15, 2017 09:17AM

  The NBA is different.

RFL314July 15, 2017 09:56AM

  Re: Great players v Team Success

dzrams339July 15, 2017 02:07PM

  Re: Great players v Team Success

laram277July 15, 2017 02:14PM

  Re: Great players v Team Success

dzrams273July 15, 2017 02:32PM

  Re: IF that were true Shaq and Kobe would have stayed together...

laram276July 15, 2017 02:37PM

  Re: Disagree

dzrams335July 15, 2017 02:52PM

  Re: That's not correct...

laram264July 15, 2017 03:17PM

  Re: That's not correct...

dzrams256July 15, 2017 03:28PM

  Here's all the Head Coaches in the Hal of Fame

RamUK273July 15, 2017 09:34AM

  Uh, no.

RFL263July 15, 2017 08:47AM

  Look at this critically/scientifically

RamUK258July 15, 2017 08:51AM

  LOL! Zowie.

RFL270July 15, 2017 09:53AM

  LMAO - sorry Mark

RamUK235July 15, 2017 10:37AM

  Makes me wonder..........?

NewMexicoRam232July 15, 2017 09:49AM

  Re: Makes me wonder..........?

21Dog241July 15, 2017 09:50AM

  Interesting example

RFL245July 15, 2017 09:59AM

  I know that

NewMexicoRam363July 15, 2017 11:40AM

  Re: Another question may shed light...

dzrams233July 15, 2017 02:19PM

  There are those who would tell you...

RFIP347July 15, 2017 02:33PM

  Re: Are you telling me that?

dzrams257July 15, 2017 02:55PM

  Re: Are you telling me that?

RFIP245July 15, 2017 03:18PM

  Re: Are you telling me that?

dzrams279July 15, 2017 03:21PM

  Great question!

RamUK248July 16, 2017 04:46AM

  Belicheat got whipped 16-0 by Bills last year with his rookie QB

Rampage2K-262July 15, 2017 10:00AM

  The patriots started 3-0

Rams_81263July 16, 2017 01:19PM

  Re: The patriots started 3-0

Rampage2K-343July 16, 2017 03:50PM

  Cassell career win is 36-45

Rams_81234July 16, 2017 05:37PM

  Using the Rams as an example? YES!!

Ramgator246July 15, 2017 02:33PM

  luck

wv ram281July 16, 2017 04:37AM

  So pure will made the QBs great? No, coaching did

Flipper336267July 16, 2017 05:15AM

  Joe Gibbs must be the luckiest coach in NFL history also

Flipper336282July 16, 2017 05:34AM

  Re: Joe Gibbs must be the luckiest coach in NFL history also

21Dog463July 16, 2017 06:07AM

  Weird how that happens right...NM

Flipper336250July 16, 2017 06:14AM

  except

zn255July 16, 2017 10:40AM

  Having a backup QB ready and available...

Flipper336370July 16, 2017 11:18AM

  Re: Having a backup QB ready and available...

zn269July 16, 2017 11:24AM

  So your wild assumption makes it lucky?

Flipper336278July 16, 2017 03:34PM

  Re: So your wild assumption makes it lucky?

zn252July 16, 2017 04:14PM

  Re: Is Head Coaching success as much luck as greatness)

zn228July 16, 2017 06:07AM

  ask Phil Jackson

ferragamo79239July 16, 2017 11:23AM

  than carmelo and no one

Hazlet Hacksaw219July 16, 2017 01:26PM

  Re: Only one thing is luck wrt head coaches

merlin297July 16, 2017 04:57PM

  Belichick is great period!

jemach253July 17, 2017 04:17AM

  Re: Tuck rule and Seahawks didn't hurt...NM

laram365July 17, 2017 04:25AM

  Re: Belichick is great period!

FootballGenius203July 17, 2017 11:40AM

  I agree, but lately I'm a bit put off by the...

JamesJM394July 17, 2017 11:53AM

  Re: Is Head Coaching success as much luck as greatness)

zn280July 17, 2017 02:22PM