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Re: Great players v Team Success

July 15, 2017 02:14PM
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But the reverse is also true. Great players do not make great coaches. (IMO, of course) Stephen Jackson was a great, internally motivated player who played on lousy teams for lousy coaches. As have other great players in league history, he toiled in vain on a poor team and he could do little to raise that team's ceiling.

Running backs rarely if ever RFL, that's not a good example.

See Dallas Cowboys and Barry Switzer or the Niners and George Seifert.

The list of examples is long.

I might also add Jordan, Pippen, Kobe and Shaq to the Phil Jackson mystique.

His latest stint has certainly tarnished the perception.

I was tracking with you until you mentioned Phil Jackson. He was a great coach; he's an awful front office executive.

What he did in NY was not coaching.

I do think I'm leaning your way on valuing great players above great coaches.

Well I along with many others in the sports field are now questioning that.

Did you know that Phil refused to accept a coaching job where HOF type players weren't in place?

He's coached 4 of the top 50 greatest players in the history of the NBA.

If you actually watched him coach he didn't do much in-game coaching.

He ran a Tex Winter offense and let the players figure it out.;

I'm aware of the difference between front office exe and coach, but there is a perception that there is a correlation.

I'm inclined to agree because I have always questioned his coaching ability.

Greg Popovich, now there IS a gr8 coach.



Best,
Laram



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/15/2017 02:18PM by laram.
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  Is Head Coaching success as much luck as greatness)

RamUK678July 15, 2017 04:18AM

  Re: Is Head Coaching success as much luck as greatness)

Rams43328July 15, 2017 06:44AM

  Re: I disagree...

laram296July 15, 2017 06:59AM

  Re: I disagree...

Rams43285July 15, 2017 07:25AM

  Re: I didn't at all 43....

laram277July 15, 2017 07:46AM

  Re: I didn't at all 43....

Rams43264July 15, 2017 08:05AM

  I agree about Brady

RamUK283July 15, 2017 08:48AM

  No QB is willing a bad team to the playoffs

Flipper336270July 16, 2017 05:22AM

  And

RFIP250July 16, 2017 10:50AM

  Great players v Team Success

RFL298July 15, 2017 09:13AM

  Re: Great players v Team Success

laram422July 15, 2017 09:17AM

  The NBA is different.

RFL314July 15, 2017 09:56AM

  Re: Great players v Team Success

dzrams338July 15, 2017 02:07PM

  Re: Great players v Team Success

laram276July 15, 2017 02:14PM

  Re: Great players v Team Success

dzrams272July 15, 2017 02:32PM

  Re: IF that were true Shaq and Kobe would have stayed together...

laram275July 15, 2017 02:37PM

  Re: Disagree

dzrams334July 15, 2017 02:52PM

  Re: That's not correct...

laram263July 15, 2017 03:17PM

  Re: That's not correct...

dzrams255July 15, 2017 03:28PM

  Here's all the Head Coaches in the Hal of Fame

RamUK272July 15, 2017 09:34AM

  Uh, no.

RFL262July 15, 2017 08:47AM

  Look at this critically/scientifically

RamUK258July 15, 2017 08:51AM

  LOL! Zowie.

RFL269July 15, 2017 09:53AM

  LMAO - sorry Mark

RamUK234July 15, 2017 10:37AM

  Makes me wonder..........?

NewMexicoRam231July 15, 2017 09:49AM

  Re: Makes me wonder..........?

21Dog240July 15, 2017 09:50AM

  Interesting example

RFL245July 15, 2017 09:59AM

  I know that

NewMexicoRam362July 15, 2017 11:40AM

  Re: Another question may shed light...

dzrams232July 15, 2017 02:19PM

  There are those who would tell you...

RFIP346July 15, 2017 02:33PM

  Re: Are you telling me that?

dzrams256July 15, 2017 02:55PM

  Re: Are you telling me that?

RFIP244July 15, 2017 03:18PM

  Re: Are you telling me that?

dzrams278July 15, 2017 03:21PM

  Great question!

RamUK248July 16, 2017 04:46AM

  Belicheat got whipped 16-0 by Bills last year with his rookie QB

Rampage2K-261July 15, 2017 10:00AM

  The patriots started 3-0

Rams_81262July 16, 2017 01:19PM

  Re: The patriots started 3-0

Rampage2K-342July 16, 2017 03:50PM

  Cassell career win is 36-45

Rams_81234July 16, 2017 05:37PM

  Using the Rams as an example? YES!!

Ramgator245July 15, 2017 02:33PM

  luck

wv ram281July 16, 2017 04:37AM

  So pure will made the QBs great? No, coaching did

Flipper336266July 16, 2017 05:15AM

  Joe Gibbs must be the luckiest coach in NFL history also

Flipper336281July 16, 2017 05:34AM

  Re: Joe Gibbs must be the luckiest coach in NFL history also

21Dog462July 16, 2017 06:07AM

  Weird how that happens right...NM

Flipper336250July 16, 2017 06:14AM

  except

zn254July 16, 2017 10:40AM

  Having a backup QB ready and available...

Flipper336370July 16, 2017 11:18AM

  Re: Having a backup QB ready and available...

zn268July 16, 2017 11:24AM

  So your wild assumption makes it lucky?

Flipper336277July 16, 2017 03:34PM

  Re: So your wild assumption makes it lucky?

zn251July 16, 2017 04:14PM

  Re: Is Head Coaching success as much luck as greatness)

zn227July 16, 2017 06:07AM

  ask Phil Jackson

ferragamo79239July 16, 2017 11:23AM

  than carmelo and no one

Hazlet Hacksaw218July 16, 2017 01:26PM

  Re: Only one thing is luck wrt head coaches

merlin296July 16, 2017 04:57PM

  Belichick is great period!

jemach252July 17, 2017 04:17AM

  Re: Tuck rule and Seahawks didn't hurt...NM

laram364July 17, 2017 04:25AM

  Re: Belichick is great period!

FootballGenius203July 17, 2017 11:40AM

  I agree, but lately I'm a bit put off by the...

JamesJM393July 17, 2017 11:53AM

  Re: Is Head Coaching success as much luck as greatness)

zn280July 17, 2017 02:22PM