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April 24, 2017 12:02PM
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Blue and Gold
[ramsrule.com]


I disagree with anyone who says Green would have won title with Rams, He didn't have the "it" factor it took. Warner had "it" and showed it.

End of story.

You can think that if you want, obviously, but it's a minor issue and purely a value judgement.

Here's the thing. We know that good qbs of the Green caliber (roughly speaking) have won superbowls. Hostettler, Flacco, Eli. They did not "lead" the team to it, they just came through and were otherwise good qbs. Who is to say Green was incapable of coming through in that way?

So you don't NEED an "it" qb to win the big one. Meaning elite, mentally and emotionally special in addition to talent.

Either way, though, to me none of this is about comparing the two.

We all KNOW Green was a good qb and that if he had a team you could win with him. Me saying that for all we know they could have gone the distance with him has nothing to do with Warner either way.

We all KNOW Warner was an elite qb with special attributes and that he showed that in his big games.

To me there's just no point in acting like saying one thing detracts from the other.

In fact I could say all the same things about Bulger I said about Green, and for that matter Everett too. Put them in the right circumstances and they could quarterback teams that could go the distance---as in "you can win with this guy."

How does that take anything away from Kurt? Why would anyone think it did?

For that matter, there is a long list of elite, top-echelon qbs who were stuck on teams that could never win the big one. Fouts, Tarkenton, Kelly, Marino, and etc. To me it doesn't diminish who and what they are as players that they were never on a team that could win a superbowl with them.

So in fact I don't actually see the point of your comparison. So you come up with this largely speculative point based on your own value judgments while forgetting that qbs of Green's caliber have played for superbowl winning teams, and from that I get what? Well honestly, I only get that you personally think that. Which is fine, but, it in no way subtracts from the main issue--namely, we all agree that Kurt was elite and Trent was good to very good. What most of us then go on to say is that saying good things about one in no way detracts from the other. No one is doing that.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/24/2017 12:03PM by zn.
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  Sad news from twitter Attachments

leafnose1924April 22, 2017 11:01AM

  OUCH. Graphically it is much worse!

stlramz398April 22, 2017 11:06AM

  Absolutely condemning

NewMexicoRam284April 22, 2017 11:13AM

  Re: And We thought 90-99 was long.

den-the-coach375April 22, 2017 11:21AM

  it's been an ugly 25 year stretch

LesBaker360April 22, 2017 11:58AM

  Re: Sad news from twitter

leafnose336April 22, 2017 11:51AM

  Re: Sad news from twitter

Rams43503April 22, 2017 11:56AM

  pretty funny 43.

stlramz235April 22, 2017 01:48PM

  Re: Sad news from twitter

RamsFanSinceLA265April 24, 2017 08:50AM

  Best thing that ever happened to Rams was a Trent Green knee injruy

Blue and Gold384April 22, 2017 01:23PM

  Re: IMO Trent Green would have been very successful as well..

laram258April 22, 2017 01:45PM

  Trent was good

9er8er290April 22, 2017 02:02PM

  Re: Trent was good

stlramz294April 22, 2017 04:08PM

  Good is good Attachments

Blue and Gold459April 22, 2017 05:01PM

  Re: Green was good in KC, what would he have been...

laram463April 22, 2017 05:12PM

  And

RFIP550April 23, 2017 01:50AM

  All these years later ...

The_Bad_Guy307April 23, 2017 04:16AM

  Re: It has absolutely *nothing* to do with Kurt Warner...

laram231April 23, 2017 04:44AM

  What did I write that is so controversial?

The_Bad_Guy317April 23, 2017 05:34AM

  Durability...

moklerman376April 23, 2017 05:58AM

  Re: Durability...

zn373April 23, 2017 06:08AM

  Re: Durability...

moklerman309April 23, 2017 06:59AM

  Re: Durability...

zn243April 23, 2017 07:46AM

  Re: Durability...

moklerman295April 23, 2017 08:35AM

  Re: Durability...

zn273April 23, 2017 08:38AM

  Re: Durability...

moklerman264April 23, 2017 08:55AM

  Re: What did I write that is so controversial?

laram235April 23, 2017 06:07AM

  Re: What did I write that is so controversial?

zn328April 23, 2017 06:31AM

  Comparisons

The_Bad_Guy236April 23, 2017 06:52AM

  Re: Comparisons

zn292April 23, 2017 07:45AM

  There are no absolutes

The_Bad_Guy243April 23, 2017 07:54AM

  Re: There are no absolutes

zn327April 23, 2017 08:14AM

  Touché (n/m)

The_Bad_Guy288April 23, 2017 09:00AM

  That is true... but I agree Warner was a cut above

Blue and Gold211April 23, 2017 08:55AM

  Re: That is true... but I agree Warner was a cut above

moklerman257April 23, 2017 08:59AM

  Re: Yeah and that "not afraid to make mistakes" mentality..

laram235April 23, 2017 09:08AM

  And who do you "blame" for that philosophy?

The_Bad_Guy351April 23, 2017 09:22AM

  Re: Yeah and that "not afraid to make mistakes" mentality..

moklerman356April 23, 2017 09:27AM

  Re: Mismanagement and in-fighting...

laram231April 23, 2017 09:39AM

  Fumbled punts and pick-sixes don't occur with other NFL teams?

The_Bad_Guy354April 23, 2017 10:54AM

  Reluctantly I'll say, briefly...

JamesJM232April 23, 2017 09:51AM

  I disagree it isn't debatable LOL

LesBaker531April 23, 2017 10:15AM

  Warner vs Manziel

wv ram591April 24, 2017 03:36PM

  Re: That is true... but I agree Warner was a cut above

zn283April 23, 2017 09:50AM

  No, I guess I don't

Blue and Gold268April 23, 2017 12:56PM

  Re: Right never mind the defense...nm

laram234April 23, 2017 01:14PM

  Oh sure,

Blue and Gold334April 23, 2017 01:21PM

  who is saying any different?

zn293April 23, 2017 01:19PM

  Re: who is saying any different?

Blue and Gold392April 24, 2017 11:12AM

  and that's minor

zn345April 24, 2017 12:02PM

  sez you

Blue and Gold428April 24, 2017 02:28PM

  Re: and that's minor

Blue and Gold722April 24, 2017 02:31PM

  Re: 38-31 loss to the Colts and Manning...

laram313April 24, 2017 02:44PM

  Did he win?

Blue and Gold201April 24, 2017 02:54PM

  see in this contrast of opinions we differ...

zn312April 24, 2017 03:04PM

  So what?

Blue and Gold336April 24, 2017 03:17PM

  Re: Confirmation bias...

laram433April 24, 2017 03:23PM

  even so

Blue and Gold262April 24, 2017 03:33PM

  Re: even so

laram307April 24, 2017 04:11PM

  Uh

Blue and Gold280April 24, 2017 04:20PM

  All we have to do is look at 2000

LesBaker331April 23, 2017 10:00AM

  Green was not completely "back" in 2000

zn466April 23, 2017 10:38AM

  Re: All we have to do is look at 2000

Blue and Gold225April 23, 2017 12:47PM

  There are degrees of separation

LesBaker281April 23, 2017 04:31AM

  I love them but

ferragamo79320April 22, 2017 04:57PM

  I would MUCH rather be the Rams..........

Paydirt467April 23, 2017 12:09AM

  The conundrum.....

PARAM343April 23, 2017 07:49AM

  Interesting....

stlramz471April 23, 2017 08:01AM