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All these years later ...

April 23, 2017 04:16AM
… and some folks *still* can’t help themselves but try and diminish Kurt Warner’s accomplishments.

That old argument that Warner played with nothing but superstars and Green didn’t is tired. And hackneyed.

Warner had Faulk, Bruce and Holt. Fine.

Who did Green have?

Start with Tony Gonzalez, quite likely the greatest tight-end in pro football history. And as everyone who knows the game realizes, tight-ends are the building block for offensives being able to control the center of the field. A great tight-end forces defensive safeties, not to mention linebackers, to play honestly in the middle of the field. And not cheat towards the hash-marks. Warner never had that luxury with the Rams. Ever. Faulk ran a lot of tight-end routes ... sure. But, as a pass-catching threat, was simply not in Gonzalez' class.

Green also had a collection of solid, if not oftentimes spectacular, outside receivers with the Chiefs – Johnnie Morton; Eddie Kennison; Dante Hall, et al.

Green also had Priest Holmes behind him in the backfield. If Faulk was the best do-it-all running back in the league in the 2000s, then Holmes was 1A. Between 2001-2003, Holmes rushed for 4,570 yards and caught passes for another 1,900. He also accounted for 61 touchdowns.

In 2004, the Chiefs began transitioning to Larry Johnson as their feature back. Together, that year, Holmes and Johnson rushed for 1,473 yards and caught passes for 500 more. In 2005, Johnson ran for 1,750 yards and followed that up with 1,789 in 2006.

And what those two had in common was perhaps the best blocking fullback in the league in Tony Richardson and, without question, the best offensive line – led by Hall of Fame left tackle Willie Roaf and two all-pros at guard – Brian Waters and Will Shields.

Moreover, Green had the advantage of playing those seasons under the guidance of Dick Vermeil and Al Saunders – two wise old heads. Vermeil and Saunders took the offensive philosophy of Mike Martz … and build some fences around it – which ended up protecting their quarterback – insulating him from the extreme physical abuse Warner and Bulger endured. It also limited Green's exposure to being forced to take risks in Martz 'Max-Q' obsessed passing game.

The suggestion is always that Green would have done the same things in St. Louis, and had the same success, that Warner did.

I doubt that. I really do. Green was a damn fine player. Warner was - and is - a Hall of Famer.

But perhaps a more pertinent supposition is … what would Warner have done in Kansas City with Vermeil, Saunders, Gonzalez, Holmes, Johnson. Roaf, et al?
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Sad news from twitter Attachments

leafnose1924April 22, 2017 11:01AM

  OUCH. Graphically it is much worse!

stlramz397April 22, 2017 11:06AM

  Absolutely condemning

NewMexicoRam284April 22, 2017 11:13AM

  Re: And We thought 90-99 was long.

den-the-coach374April 22, 2017 11:21AM

  it's been an ugly 25 year stretch

LesBaker360April 22, 2017 11:58AM

  Re: Sad news from twitter

leafnose335April 22, 2017 11:51AM

  Re: Sad news from twitter

Rams43502April 22, 2017 11:56AM

  pretty funny 43.

stlramz234April 22, 2017 01:48PM

  Re: Sad news from twitter

RamsFanSinceLA264April 24, 2017 08:50AM

  Best thing that ever happened to Rams was a Trent Green knee injruy

Blue and Gold384April 22, 2017 01:23PM

  Re: IMO Trent Green would have been very successful as well..

laram257April 22, 2017 01:45PM

  Trent was good

9er8er289April 22, 2017 02:02PM

  Re: Trent was good

stlramz293April 22, 2017 04:08PM

  Good is good Attachments

Blue and Gold459April 22, 2017 05:01PM

  Re: Green was good in KC, what would he have been...

laram462April 22, 2017 05:12PM

  And

RFIP549April 23, 2017 01:50AM

  All these years later ...

The_Bad_Guy306April 23, 2017 04:16AM

  Re: It has absolutely *nothing* to do with Kurt Warner...

laram231April 23, 2017 04:44AM

  What did I write that is so controversial?

The_Bad_Guy316April 23, 2017 05:34AM

  Durability...

moklerman375April 23, 2017 05:58AM

  Re: Durability...

zn372April 23, 2017 06:08AM

  Re: Durability...

moklerman308April 23, 2017 06:59AM

  Re: Durability...

zn242April 23, 2017 07:46AM

  Re: Durability...

moklerman295April 23, 2017 08:35AM

  Re: Durability...

zn273April 23, 2017 08:38AM

  Re: Durability...

moklerman263April 23, 2017 08:55AM

  Re: What did I write that is so controversial?

laram234April 23, 2017 06:07AM

  Re: What did I write that is so controversial?

zn327April 23, 2017 06:31AM

  Comparisons

The_Bad_Guy235April 23, 2017 06:52AM

  Re: Comparisons

zn292April 23, 2017 07:45AM

  There are no absolutes

The_Bad_Guy243April 23, 2017 07:54AM

  Re: There are no absolutes

zn327April 23, 2017 08:14AM

  Touché (n/m)

The_Bad_Guy288April 23, 2017 09:00AM

  That is true... but I agree Warner was a cut above

Blue and Gold210April 23, 2017 08:55AM

  Re: That is true... but I agree Warner was a cut above

moklerman257April 23, 2017 08:59AM

  Re: Yeah and that "not afraid to make mistakes" mentality..

laram233April 23, 2017 09:08AM

  And who do you "blame" for that philosophy?

The_Bad_Guy351April 23, 2017 09:22AM

  Re: Yeah and that "not afraid to make mistakes" mentality..

moklerman356April 23, 2017 09:27AM

  Re: Mismanagement and in-fighting...

laram231April 23, 2017 09:39AM

  Fumbled punts and pick-sixes don't occur with other NFL teams?

The_Bad_Guy353April 23, 2017 10:54AM

  Reluctantly I'll say, briefly...

JamesJM232April 23, 2017 09:51AM

  I disagree it isn't debatable LOL

LesBaker531April 23, 2017 10:15AM

  Warner vs Manziel

wv ram591April 24, 2017 03:36PM

  Re: That is true... but I agree Warner was a cut above

zn282April 23, 2017 09:50AM

  No, I guess I don't

Blue and Gold268April 23, 2017 12:56PM

  Re: Right never mind the defense...nm

laram234April 23, 2017 01:14PM

  Oh sure,

Blue and Gold333April 23, 2017 01:21PM

  who is saying any different?

zn293April 23, 2017 01:19PM

  Re: who is saying any different?

Blue and Gold392April 24, 2017 11:12AM

  and that's minor

zn345April 24, 2017 12:02PM

  sez you

Blue and Gold427April 24, 2017 02:28PM

  Re: and that's minor

Blue and Gold722April 24, 2017 02:31PM

  Re: 38-31 loss to the Colts and Manning...

laram312April 24, 2017 02:44PM

  Did he win?

Blue and Gold200April 24, 2017 02:54PM

  see in this contrast of opinions we differ...

zn311April 24, 2017 03:04PM

  So what?

Blue and Gold335April 24, 2017 03:17PM

  Re: Confirmation bias...

laram432April 24, 2017 03:23PM

  even so

Blue and Gold262April 24, 2017 03:33PM

  Re: even so

laram306April 24, 2017 04:11PM

  Uh

Blue and Gold279April 24, 2017 04:20PM

  All we have to do is look at 2000

LesBaker330April 23, 2017 10:00AM

  Green was not completely "back" in 2000

zn466April 23, 2017 10:38AM

  Re: All we have to do is look at 2000

Blue and Gold225April 23, 2017 12:47PM

  There are degrees of separation

LesBaker281April 23, 2017 04:31AM

  I love them but

ferragamo79320April 22, 2017 04:57PM

  I would MUCH rather be the Rams..........

Paydirt467April 23, 2017 12:09AM

  The conundrum.....

PARAM343April 23, 2017 07:49AM

  Interesting....

stlramz471April 23, 2017 08:01AM