January 28, 2017 10:28AM
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LesBaker
We disagree on Kroenke.

His interests aren't winning titles, he's said so.

It's the coin, he's in this game for the money.

Well, we've been through this before. I'll just summarize my view of SK, based on the Rams and, to a much lesser degree, Arsenal. I dunno much of anything about his other teams.

I am always suspicious of laments based on the accusation that someone is in it for the money. That could be a long conversation on its own, but I'd just stress that, in the long run, money is made by stability and competence.

SK owns one of the most famous football clubs in the world. Of course, that's Arsenal FC, not the Rams. That club is run very, very competently. Year after year they contend for the Premiership crown, compete well in the Champions League, and have recently won the FA cup. Their fans are frustrated that they haven't actually won the Premiership or the Champions' League, but they are a major football club that competes very well in the globe's biggest club competitions.

What I think SK meant about not competing for championships is that he doesn't lose any sleep over the near misses. A Gunners squad that reaches the quarters or semis in the CL and the FA Cup and finishes 2nd or 3rd in the Premiership, thus qualifying for the CL the next season, is a very successful team. Its success level is enough to fill the Emirates and support the Gunners' global brand.

Now, Gunners supporters get frustrated over the team's inability to cross the finish line. Sort of like we old Ram fans ate our livers over the playoff failures of the late 60s through the 70s. But that is ultimately a spoiled perspective. One cannot complain that SK's Gunners or the 70s Rams were incompetently led or bereft of talent.

Not hoisting the trophy DOES NOT mean stinking the joint out.

Of course, SK did not build the Gunner brand. He bought it. And the Rams have to be built from a very low point.

But, as I have before, I will invoke your words in disputing your main point. Yes, SK wants to make money. Actually, he is building an empire and is thinking way beyond money as such. What does that mean for the Rams going forward?

It means that he has GOT to have a Rams club that succeeds. The success of his empire of land and wealth needs the cornerstone team to command respect and interest. It need not necessarily win the SB. But it has GOT to be relevant in the league and the vast and vastly competitive LA sports market. The cachet of residences and retail--the real sources of wealth in the project--need to be linked to a competent NFL team.

I dunno if this convinces you or anyone, but, TBH, in my view the truth of this assessment is self-evident. It is, however, foreign to a sports fan's perspective. SK doesn't live and die with competitive success of the team. He's like Montgomery watching his soldiers playing cricket ... but knowing that cricket was crucial for the army's goals. (Tortured metaphor.) I think this is why so many fans struggle to understand a guy like SK. They see a guy who, unlike a Jerry Jones, seems detached from the team's fortunes. They see a guy who is not responding to the passion that they share.

But the simple fact is that owners don't play or choose players or coach. A team can win with a useless owner, as we did with a decaying Georgia. It doesn't matter if SK loves the team or cares about wins and losses.

What does matter is that he make FO choices that lead to coherent, competent performance in the offices and on the field. To date, his record on this has been less than successful. So why should we expect improvement?

For a simple reason. Money. More specifically, money under wholly changed circumstances. To now, his focus was on moving the team. Ram performance meant very little. Now, the team has had 1 bad year in LA and needs to start improving. SK's would-be empire demands success to the point of relevance.

In that context, I view the situation somewhat differently than many do. I never doubted for a minute that Fisher would not survive another bad year. Many FANS, looking at aloof SK, feared he didn't care and would keep Fisher no matter what. Fisher didn't even finish the season. This should not have surprised anyone. SK hired Fish to move the team. The team is moved. LA demands winning. SK's empire is tied to fans' and media demands. ... ergo Fisher HAD to go LAST year whereas there was no reason for firing him the year before.

OK, enter new coach. But much in the FO has not yet changed. Many on this board feel that leaving Demoff and Snead in place with a very young HC will lead to continued failure. I dunno. I always thought Snead did pretty well. But, let's say that this FO doesn't turn things around next year.

SK WILL NOT tolerate continued failure from his FO. He has GOT to get a team developed that will fire LA up at the opening of the new stadium. He will demand improved football professionalism. The priority in running the team has shifted to football success. For the first time perhaps since Georgia inherited a fine organization, the team MUST start winning games.

So, BECAUSE SK is building an empire, I expect the team to begin to improve its professionalism. It may not happen overnight. It may take a few seasons. It may hit a plateau that frustrates us with playoff losses. But SK will demand at least playoff levels of performance. And that's all I ask of an owner.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  4 of 27. Wow, just wow.

max3726January 24, 2017 02:37PM

  Overwhelming, isn't it?

sstrams900January 24, 2017 02:54PM

  I just accept them as they are. BAD.

max686January 24, 2017 03:06PM

  Re: I just accept them as they are. BAD.

CraigMatson497January 24, 2017 04:09PM

  Works for me....lol....

Arkansas Ram529January 24, 2017 03:13PM

  Re: Which is why the Draft apologists are so . . .

Billy_T549January 25, 2017 07:30AM

  I call them the Rene Magritte people...

max499January 25, 2017 08:06AM

  Re: I call them the Rene Magritte people...

Billy_T429January 25, 2017 08:38AM

  and

zn531January 26, 2017 05:33AM

  Re: well maybe they're due to get it right

merlin474January 24, 2017 03:06PM

  Are the Browns due to get it right? Same thing.

max550January 24, 2017 03:10PM

  I recall in the 70's and 80s, when the problem as a Rams fan was...

Ramgator628January 24, 2017 04:04PM

  Re: Or can they finish

Speed_Kills515January 25, 2017 06:16AM

  That was the truth

NewMexicoRam263February 05, 2018 08:57AM

  And Kroenke is now the owner

LesBaker491January 24, 2017 05:21PM

  He was responsible for 5 Fisher years.

max456January 25, 2017 01:52AM

  4 of 27. Wow, just wow.

wv ram596January 25, 2017 02:04AM

  Re: 4 of 27. Wow, just wow.

max466January 25, 2017 02:13AM

  At least the Rams have been to 3 Super Bowls. Browns Zero nm

BlueRidgeHorns483January 25, 2017 02:47AM

  The idea is to not get into comparisons with the Browns.

max539January 25, 2017 07:20AM

  Rams one of worst organizations in football

ferragamo79656January 25, 2017 08:13AM

  My daughter was 6 years old the last time

IowaRam519January 25, 2017 08:27AM

  she must be around the age of my son

ferragamo79426January 25, 2017 08:50AM

  Half the problem is

IowaRam550January 25, 2017 09:25AM

  Re: Rams one of worst organizations in football

max541January 25, 2017 09:24AM

  could be a lot worse.......

Rampage2K-447January 25, 2017 09:43AM

  Re: could be a lot worse.......

bigjimram21384January 26, 2017 09:08AM

  Re: Rams one of worst organizations in football

RAMSINCE ARNETT521January 25, 2017 10:11AM

  That's why I say the HC is only the 3rd or 4th most important person on the payroll

LesBaker397January 25, 2017 01:23PM

  Re: Rams one of worst organizations in football

NorCalRamFan439February 05, 2018 09:41AM

  Re: Rams one of worst organizations in football

zn296February 05, 2018 04:22AM

  Re: Effects of a move eh?

dzrams280February 05, 2018 05:27AM

  Re: Effects of a move eh?

Rams43255February 05, 2018 05:29AM

  Re: Effects of a move eh?

Old Goat418February 05, 2018 05:44AM

  Re: Is everything being done for you OG?...

laram278February 05, 2018 05:55AM

  Re: Is everything being done for you OG?...

Old Goat252February 05, 2018 12:41PM

  Re: Effects of a move eh?

dzrams256February 05, 2018 07:21AM

  it wasn't the only thing that went wrong in 2016

zn266February 05, 2018 08:53AM

  Re: Effects of a move eh?

zn257February 05, 2018 08:32AM

  Re: Effects of a move eh?

dzrams244February 05, 2018 10:08AM

  Re: Rams one of worst organizations in football

max234February 05, 2018 09:12AM

  Re: Rams one of worst organizations in football

AZRamsfan65450January 25, 2017 10:06AM

  Re: Rams one of worst organizations in football

21Dog512January 25, 2017 03:53PM

  I remember when we lamented the 90's as the worst

Old Goat674January 25, 2017 01:06PM

  1990-98 vs. 2007-16

LMU93419January 26, 2017 05:17AM

  +1....

Arkansas Ram360January 29, 2017 06:32AM

  Re: 4 of 27. And people accuse me of being a pessimist.

guinnessram408January 26, 2017 04:20AM

  A reasonable person calls you a realist...

max519January 26, 2017 07:47AM

  The worst part ...

RFL556January 26, 2017 08:46AM

  You pretty much nailed it, RFL....

JamesJM506January 26, 2017 08:53AM

  Good post......but

LesBaker399January 26, 2017 03:15PM

  Kroenke, noch einmal

RFL420January 28, 2017 10:28AM

  Re: Kroenke, noch einmal.....zine it!!!

Rampage2K-388January 28, 2017 02:25PM

  You will be let down until they catch lightning in a bottle

LesBaker363January 28, 2017 06:01PM

  Re: I would argue that EVERYONE who wins...

dzrams396January 28, 2017 08:09PM

  Well............

GreatRamNTheSky537January 26, 2017 10:50PM

  They've done nothing to address deficiencies in FO

max544January 27, 2017 02:05AM

  Is there any info out there about the lease deal the Chargers have?

LesBaker549January 27, 2017 06:28AM

  Re: They've done nothing to address deficiencies in FO

Rams43423January 27, 2017 06:40AM

  Re: They've done nothing to address deficiencies in FO

bigjimram21480January 29, 2017 11:17AM

  It's a new day a new dawn. History is yesterday

jim beam297February 05, 2018 05:54AM