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December 08, 2016 04:48PM
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promomasterj
That article say the relationship is toxic and has been for a while. To me, this might explain why Snead and Fisher never even spoke or met together on the show. Not saying this is proof - but it's possible, based on what we now know about their relationship.
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Yeah, okay, it's possible. I admit that I could be wrong in my interpretation of the situation. I don't have any inside information, and I am to a fair degree playing devil's advocate. However, I see a lot of people coming to conclusions all over Ramville that are not warranted by the actual evidence we have.

So, I am drawing different conclusions based on what I see, and I am trying to test everybody's arguments to see if they can convince me of something solid. This is one of those aspects of the situation where I have pushed back a bit just to see what someone can actually back up with something convincing. I haven't watched any of the other Hard Knocks, so I have nothing to compare the Rams version to. Okay, fine.

I see an opening there that might be explained by a rift. That would explain it. Makes sense. I don't see that as evidence of a rift, though. And, in fact, I would argue that Snead's presence in some of those scenes would similarly not prove that there ISN'T a rift. Okay? There is no "tell" there.

So I teach people how to argue. That is actually part of my job. And I teach them to distinguish between Claims, Evidence, and Warrants.

In a nutshell, a claim is a proposition, an opinion, an assertion of some kind (e.g. Snead's and Fisher's relationship is toxic). That is a claim. It is not evidence.

Evidence would be something like an eyewitness telling us that Fisher gets tense whenever Snead is in the room, or that Snead was locked out of the war room for a while on Draft Day, or that Snead has been advocating for a new coach, or something. We don't have any of that. There's nothing.

A warrant is a conclusion based on the evidence (e.g. since Fisher prevented Snead from coming into the war room for an hour while he talked with the staff, and because multiple sources confirm the tension in the room when they are together, we can conclude their relationship is toxic).

This entire story is a set of claims based on an extremely thin set of evidence. It doesn't mean those claims are FALSE (Fisher and/or Snead are dysfunctional, and one or both will be fired), but nobody has yet provided any evidence that makes me doubt my own assumption which is (also) based on circumstantial evidence.
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  MMQB: Fisher-Snead relationship is toxic.

max1942December 07, 2016 10:16PM

  Not surprised. Losing does that.

RockRam571December 07, 2016 10:40PM

  What I want to see happen......

NewMexicoRam839December 08, 2016 03:53AM

  Re: MMQB: Fisher-Snead relationship is toxic.

poplarbluffman730December 08, 2016 01:14AM

  One of the poorest written

CROMWELL21676December 08, 2016 01:31AM

  not so

zn794December 08, 2016 02:27AM

  Re: not so

CROMWELL21497December 08, 2016 02:35AM

  Breer is quoting sources inside Rams Park.

max703December 08, 2016 02:41AM

  Re: not so

zn482December 08, 2016 02:46AM

  That being the case, zn....

NewMexicoRam545December 08, 2016 03:56AM

  IMO

zn745December 08, 2016 04:10AM

  We are 2 for 2 today, zn

dodgerram490December 08, 2016 04:15AM

  well...no, we disagree (which is fine)

zn535December 08, 2016 04:23AM

  Okay, 1-2 ain´t so bad either for one day

dodgerram391December 08, 2016 04:34AM

  Re: Okay, 1-2 ain´t so bad either for one day

zn312December 08, 2016 04:49AM

  Re: Okay, 1-2 ain´t so bad either for one day

dodgerram365December 08, 2016 05:20AM

  @ Cromewell 21 - 2nd year team option nm

ferragamo79536December 08, 2016 07:46AM

  Re: @ Cromwell 21 - Thanks bro! nm

CROMWELL21357December 08, 2016 11:06AM

  I can answer your legal question

stlramz1111December 08, 2016 07:36PM

  are these billable hours?

21Dog494December 08, 2016 07:54PM

  Re: So what if they make up and get along?

Speed_Kills571December 08, 2016 03:32AM

  this quote...

LMU93548December 08, 2016 04:02AM

  Re: this quote...

zn651December 08, 2016 04:15AM

  Re: this quote...

dzrams468December 08, 2016 07:52AM

  Re: this quote...

zn499December 08, 2016 04:41PM

  Time to clean house

BigGame81512December 08, 2016 04:19AM

  as a great man once said.....

LMU93406December 08, 2016 05:23AM

  Re: as a great man once said.....

oldschoolramfan363December 08, 2016 05:35AM

  Fisher has final word so isn't he taking the blame here not dumping it on Snead

LesBaker413December 08, 2016 06:42AM

  Re: Fisher has final word so isn't he taking the blame here not dumping it on Snead

Zooey496December 08, 2016 07:41AM

  Re: I thought Hard Knocks was telling

BigGame81831December 08, 2016 07:44AM

  Was going to say the same thing

promomasterj436December 08, 2016 07:49AM

  Re: Was going to say the same thing

Zooey404December 08, 2016 08:15AM

  Fisher saying he didn't know about the extension

LesBaker376December 08, 2016 08:37AM

  Re: Fisher swaying he didn't know about the extension

Zooey411December 08, 2016 09:08AM

  I edited my post title and deleted the W

LesBaker281December 08, 2016 09:23AM

  GM's are prominent in the other Hard Knocks seasons

promomasterj359December 08, 2016 10:53AM

  If you are or aren't remembering right I am not sure it's meaningful

LesBaker438December 08, 2016 11:53AM

  Who would have gained ANYTHING from keeping Snead off the show?

Zooey420December 08, 2016 12:47PM

  Snead's dignity LOL

LesBaker408December 08, 2016 01:55PM

  Kroenke didn't 'orchestrate' Hard Knocks

promomasterj339December 08, 2016 02:20PM

  Re: Kroenke didn't 'orchestrate' Hard Knocks

Zooey404December 08, 2016 02:29PM

  It all goes back to MMQB article

promomasterj402December 08, 2016 03:47PM

  To Rift, or not to Rift

Zooey352December 08, 2016 04:48PM

  To sleep perchance to dream

LesBaker410December 08, 2016 06:02PM

  Neither was Hekker I've heard

LesBaker368December 08, 2016 08:36AM

  this team is a frickin MESS

ferragamo79445December 08, 2016 07:48AM

  it seems a bit over the top

PHDram378December 08, 2016 08:01AM

  Re: it seems a bit over the top

BigGame81399December 08, 2016 08:35AM

  i dont

PHDram513December 08, 2016 08:44AM

  I have to agree...

Guard404December 08, 2016 10:02AM

  Explains the short sightings in summer

Anonymous User397December 08, 2016 10:17AM

  Re: Explains the short sightings in summer

Zooey364December 08, 2016 10:30AM

  Re: Explains the short sightings in summer

zn408December 08, 2016 01:45PM

  LOL (nm)

Zooey258December 08, 2016 02:22PM

  LOL - that's all I meant!!!!

Anonymous User355December 08, 2016 08:16PM

  Re: MMQB: Fisher-Snead relationship is ... missing the core...

Ramdom492December 08, 2016 05:34PM

  Demoff is a bean counter

Zooey540December 08, 2016 05:43PM

  You may be wrong Zooey

waterfield370December 08, 2016 08:06PM

  But I'm not. Here is the FO structure

Zooey398December 08, 2016 08:29PM

  Re: You may be wrong Zooey

zn359December 08, 2016 08:44PM

  Too gossipy, not enough substance

9er8er389December 08, 2016 06:55PM

  Evidently not much truth either, these kinds of articles are what's toxic

LesBaker433December 09, 2016 05:51AM

  Re: Too many assumptions not enough facts...

laram517December 09, 2016 06:06AM

  Offensive coaching is the problem

Rams_81604December 09, 2016 06:03AM