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Just in the interests of communication ...

September 05, 2016 08:39AM
Let's try to clarify.

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TonyHunter87
The only way I will acknowledge improvement is seeing it on the field.

See, that was actually my point in the follow up post. You have to see it on the field.

What I was saying was that fans and pundits so often try to draw premature conclusions based on personnel additions or subtractions. And history tells us abundantly that this is folly.

Players added to improve teams sometimes do. And often don't.

Lost players, even good ones, sometimes weaken teams and often don't.

You have to see it on the field. That's what I objected to in the thread, the widespread assumption that a lack of changes ion personnel dooms us to a repetition of last year. Maybe it will. If we rely on Quick to be a star, well, that won't work. I have no illusions that he is going to blossom.

He COULD however play a minor role in an improved offense. Because, the possibilities for improvement are more complex than whether we run Quick out there.

It is POSSIBLE that a unit can grow through stability and cohesion. That does happen, and it's why teams that repeatedly chop and change rarely grow into contenders.

When I looked at the OL this PS I did what you said. I looked at the performance ON THE FIELD. And I thought, this is different. These guys can actually make a running game grow. Same guys, genuinely improved performance. And key to offensive improvement. I feel I can realistically project from what I saw of our running game ON THE FIELD in PS a solid, consistently productive rushing offense of a kind we haven't seen in years. Honestly. I think I saw that.

Now in such an offense, Quick's blocking could play a modest role. I have no expectation of his becoming a mid-table WR. But he can contribute good blocking and an occasional catch in a quality rushing attack.

ON THE OTHER HAND ... I also see on the field the limitations of our offense. I have written in the last couple of weeks about our continuing impotence on 3rd down. This is a major limit on our team, and as long as we are relying on a guy like Quick, we can only improve so far. That's what seeing the play on the field manifestly tells us.

And yet, even there, I see hope. I see--ON THE FIELD--2 rookies who could raise our ceiling on 3rd down and in the RZ. Spruce and Higbee show genuine promise of doing just that. I see just enough ability in Keenum to imagine our offense rising a notch or 2. I SEE the raw talent in Goff to go far beyond that. All of that carries us beyond a guy like Quick, but it will take time and, again, we'll have to see it on the field.

Maybe the biggest point for me is to see the large picture. Look first at UNITS: DL, OL, secondary, receivers, RBs, etc. FOr example, Ram fans for years misunderstood Brockers. He is not an all star type DT. But he is the classic space eater who makes it far easier for a star like AD to flourish. AD is my favorite Ram since Ike, and a potential guy for the Hall, but you have to see him as used in the unit.

And it's on the unit and O/D levels that I worry the most. I see AD whipping his OT and getting upfield, only to see a RB run past him into space because the defensive scheme is unsound in covering the gaps. Even if an individual produces like crazy--as AD does--it means little unless the unit as a whole is soundly deployed to take advantage. All too bloody often, our units are deployed by the Kommander of the Keystone Kops.

My biggest concern for the team is, as it is for many, our coaching staff. But it isn't about adding players or preferring a running game. Hell as a really old OL/TE, I love the running game, and I believe in it in today's speed-oriented league.

What I look for, ON THE FIELD, is competitive discipline in the team. For 4 years now, Fisher has repeatedly fielded unready teams with shoddy, unsound game plans. Williams is, by my estimation, an erratic, often unsound DC. These are the factors that, in my view, are likely to doom us to a record under .500. No matter how much talent we add or fail to add.

Well, I'll stop. We agree--it has to be on the field. We may, however, be looking at different things and/or seeing them differently.

What I see gives me some limited hope. But I'd feel a lot better with a disciplined coaching staff.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  So, let me get this straight...

TonyHunter871640September 03, 2016 10:36AM

  Re: So, let me get this straight...

droopy751September 03, 2016 10:50AM

  Here's what we've got...

max762September 03, 2016 10:57AM

  Pretty much, yes

9er8er632September 03, 2016 08:03PM

  Will Witherspoon

Drew2839453September 05, 2016 06:04AM

  Re: So, let me get this straight...

zn595September 03, 2016 08:52PM

  Rams cut Keenum in 2014

TonyHunter87535September 03, 2016 09:14PM

  Right that's pretty much what I said

zn587September 03, 2016 10:05PM

  Re: Right that's pretty much what I said

TonyHunter87498September 03, 2016 10:52PM

  Re: Right that's pretty much what I said

SoCalRAMatic723September 04, 2016 05:10AM

  So, let me get this straight... Sobering & true

Anonymous User742September 04, 2016 05:22AM

  Re: So, let me get this straight...

Rams43551September 04, 2016 06:28AM

  to me that's going down the right path

zn460September 04, 2016 07:03AM

  Game manager probably wrong words...

jemach378September 04, 2016 07:55AM

  Not a lot of wiggle room with this team

NewMexicoRam516September 04, 2016 07:57AM

  actually there is

zn361September 04, 2016 08:22AM

  Re: Game manager probably wrong words...

Rams43390September 04, 2016 08:01AM

  no, the Titans will be drafting Top 10....

SunTzu_vs_Camus462September 04, 2016 09:00AM

  Re: Game manager probably wrong words...

Ramboni527September 05, 2016 04:02AM

  keenum doesn't spend free time on a cell phone

six2stack457September 04, 2016 07:05AM

  Re: keenum doesn't spend free time on a cell phone

73Ram403September 04, 2016 07:21AM

  Re: keenum doesn't spend free time on a cell phone

bigjimram21396September 04, 2016 01:53PM

  Re: keenum doesn't spend free time on a cell phone

73Ram430September 05, 2016 03:44AM

  Maybe Jared can get Case's wife as a loaner...

Guard603September 04, 2016 08:11AM

  Re: So, let me get this straight...You are right!!!!

oldschoolramfan500September 04, 2016 06:33AM

  Willfully pessimistic & almost surely wrong.

Suh-weet!497September 04, 2016 07:29AM

  Re: Willfully pessimistic & almost surely wrong.

BobCarl446September 04, 2016 08:56AM

  That I/we don't know

Suh-weet!698September 04, 2016 09:37AM

  Re: So, let me get this straight...

Tony Romas537September 04, 2016 07:36AM

  The future is distinct from the present.

RFL384September 04, 2016 12:18PM

  so, if our offense is higher than 31st and closer to avg(teens)...

SunTzu_vs_Camus569September 04, 2016 08:33AM

  Call it the way you see it

Los Angeles Lenny421September 04, 2016 10:19AM

  SO ... he's a bust already? Really? (NM)

RFL546September 04, 2016 11:06AM

  Re: SO ... he's a bust already? Really? (NM)

Los Angeles Lenny359September 04, 2016 02:36PM

  I don't really think you have it straight.

RFL497September 04, 2016 11:46AM

  nice well thought out post

TonyHunter87404September 04, 2016 12:28PM

  PS ... the personnel myth

RFL437September 04, 2016 12:37PM

  Re: The Rams got worse this offseason

TonyHunter87413September 04, 2016 01:43PM

  Agreed...

jemach369September 05, 2016 07:10AM

  Re: Agreed...

Rams43368September 05, 2016 07:56AM

  Our hope ...

RFL412September 05, 2016 08:46AM

  +1(mm)

dodgerram377September 05, 2016 08:28AM

  Just in the interests of communication ...

RFL408September 05, 2016 08:39AM

  Re: I don't really think you have it straight.

dodgerram408September 05, 2016 04:01AM

  Re: I don't really think you have it straight.

RFL377September 05, 2016 08:42AM