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Re: why I disagree with that

August 29, 2016 03:29AM
I made a similar point - you say:

"On top of it, every camp reporter says he is just not ready. That's a long list of guys writing separate unrelated accounts who are just saying what they see"

What we are seeing in these games is what has been reported in camp. So we have camp reports, we have eye balls and are watching him in the games, and he hasn't looked particularly sharp or a standout even when facing backups. I'm not saying he won't ever be ready I'm just saying he OBVIOUSLY isn't right now.

Your second point regarding Dak having the stripped down offense v Goff being given the whole kit and caboodle - I hadn't heard those comments from Cosell previously. This would support the fact that Fisher is not interested at all in rushing Goff into action and their confidence in Keenum. I will say it again Jeff Fisher is one ballsy dude...



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Goff has never had the full starting oline in front of him as Keenum has.

He's never been out there with Kendricks and Britt as receivers.

He's never been out there with Gurley and very little with BC.

The Keenum/Goff comparison is not being made on an even basis.

Yes, Goff is still learning and isn't processing as fast as he will be.
Yes, he's made some mistakes.

But he can never get into a rhythm when every other pass is dropped or Williams and co. are letting defenders have free runs at his back.

I don't want to run down our starter just to make Goff look better but the fact is that last night when Keenum got pressure he didn't look any better than Goff has.

He threw one duck up under pressure and took a sack. Fortunately for him, his duck landed safely rather than having a defender near it, but it wasn't good.

IMO, the Rams haven't given Goff or us a chance to see yet what he would look like with a chance to settle in with the whole 1st team offense.

He's been asked to win the job from Keenum, by doing more with less. And predictably, it hasn't happened.

You and I disagree on this.

The problem with that approach is, all you base it on is what you see in some series in preseason games.

And that is not what coaches are considering.

There's not just the normal adjustments to game speed and so on that a rookie qb has to go through...with the Rams offense, he has to call protections, call audibles, and factor in sight adjustments when receivers run routes.

Is he up to speed on all that? You would only know if you were a coach watching the game film. Being with the 1s would not make any difference when it came to this mental side of the Rams qb game.

And truth is my overall impression of him when he played in the preseason so far is a kid who is still thinking and not just confident and just playing. On top of it, every camp reporter says he is just not ready. That's a long list of guys writing separate unrelated accounts who are just saying what they see.

Given all that, I don't think repping with the ones would in itself speed up the process. In fact my impression is he won't get time with the 1s until he is ready in every aspect of the game, including the mental dimension none of us are in a position to judge.

Cosell commented on Goff recently. He watched both Goff and Prescott. They cut the offense down for Presscott. He is essentially singing Mary Had a Little Lamb. In comparison, said Cosell, "Goff is being asked to play Mahler."

I just figure the coaches know and will act accordingly.
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  No doubt Keenan starts now

Hazlet Hacksaw1483August 27, 2016 08:58PM

  right up there with the last few sets of WRs

Blue and Gold610August 27, 2016 09:07PM

  Re: right up there with the last few sets of WRs

RFIP684August 28, 2016 04:28AM

  The leg scares me

Hazlet Hacksaw582August 28, 2016 08:55AM

  Very low on my priority list right now...

JamesJM463August 28, 2016 09:00AM

  He is going to score 1/3 of their points

Hazlet Hacksaw459August 28, 2016 11:17AM

  missed only 2 kicks in 2013

Blue and Gold419August 28, 2016 11:22AM

  what is his outdoors %?

Hazlet Hacksaw423August 28, 2016 11:24AM

  Grass = 65% Turf = 85% for his career

Blue and Gold608August 28, 2016 11:29AM

  Wow

Hazlet Hacksaw423August 28, 2016 11:37AM

  But, as usual stats are going to be skewed

Blue and Gold437August 28, 2016 11:59AM

  Fair enough

Hazlet Hacksaw404August 28, 2016 01:46PM

  Yeah, it's a mixed bag, in 2014 he missed 2

Blue and Gold417August 28, 2016 02:51PM

  Good info thanks

Hazlet Hacksaw496August 28, 2016 05:22PM

  +1(nm)

dodgerram448August 28, 2016 11:30PM

  Re:Pretty sad ain't it!...NM

laram535August 28, 2016 04:13AM

  Gurley AND Austin

Suh-weet!569August 28, 2016 04:58AM

  yeah I gotta agree

ferragamo79545August 28, 2016 06:07AM

  Keenum, Goff, Mannion....

JamesJM529August 28, 2016 06:15AM

  Re: Keenum, Goff, Mannion....

RFIP575August 28, 2016 06:18AM

  That's how I see it... but..

JamesJM506August 28, 2016 08:04AM

  Re: Keenum, Goff, Mannion....I see it as you do

BumRap432August 28, 2016 09:52PM

  The drops and the o line were a joke

stlrams13540August 28, 2016 06:27AM

  Totally agree with all this stuff

ArizonaRamFan481August 28, 2016 06:32AM

  Excellent post! +1 nm

Saguaro429August 28, 2016 09:10AM

  I think some are underestimating the implication

9er8er666August 28, 2016 07:08AM

  Re: I think some are underestimating the implication

Rams43566August 28, 2016 07:32AM

  Keenum has done nothing noteworthy

9er8er458August 28, 2016 08:20AM

  Re: point taken

Speed_Kills448August 28, 2016 08:31AM

  Yeah

9er8er422August 28, 2016 08:45AM

  Re: Keenum has done nothing noteworthy

Rams43591August 28, 2016 08:37AM

  43

9er8er449August 28, 2016 08:50AM

  Re: 43

Rams43439August 28, 2016 08:56AM

  Re: 43

LARams17332August 28, 2016 11:23AM

  Re: Absolutely agree, but...

laram601August 28, 2016 07:38AM

  Re: Absolutely agree, but...

Anonymous User623August 28, 2016 08:17AM

  Re: That's a good way of putting it Florida...nm

laram555August 28, 2016 08:19AM

  Re: Nonchalant is appropriate

Speed_Kills558August 28, 2016 08:24AM

  Re: Nonchalant is appropriate

Anonymous User541August 28, 2016 09:14AM

  Re: Nonchalant is appropriate

LARams17450August 28, 2016 11:25AM

  Nonchalant is appropriate... Nick Nolte LARams17? LOL

Anonymous User716August 28, 2016 12:24PM

  Re: Absolutely agree, but...

LARams17432August 28, 2016 10:35AM

  Jeff Fisher ain't worried about nothing.

9er8er478August 28, 2016 08:28AM

  Re: Absolutely agree, but...

bigjimram21408August 28, 2016 09:38AM

  Re: No issue with any of that

Speed_Kills442August 28, 2016 08:19AM

  maybe after three games

Hazlet Hacksaw421August 28, 2016 08:38AM

  Re: yep. I could see that nm

Speed_Kills418August 28, 2016 08:49AM

  I think the "unreadiness" vs Keenum is being overstated.

Saguaro534August 28, 2016 09:21AM

  SAG - BEST POST in the Thread! +1 nm

Ram Fan Teacher448August 28, 2016 09:27AM

  Re: I think you overlook some significant factors....

laram446August 28, 2016 09:34AM

  Re: I think you overlook some significant factors....

Rams43319August 28, 2016 11:26AM

  Re: I think the "unreadiness" vs Keenum is being overstated.

LARams17483August 28, 2016 10:37AM

  I read your earlier post today after I wrote this one. You had it all there.

Saguaro508August 28, 2016 11:14AM

  That's a nice litany of excuses

9er8er498August 28, 2016 12:17PM

  Re: That's a nice factual inaccuracy

dzrams430August 28, 2016 04:40PM

  No

9er8er472August 28, 2016 07:37PM

  Re: Yeah I didn't wanna speak for you...

laram444August 29, 2016 03:34AM

  Re: You are correct...

dzrams408August 29, 2016 07:18AM

  Re: so that I make sure I understand

Speed_Kills430August 28, 2016 02:33PM

  Re: so that I make sure I understand

9er8er395August 28, 2016 03:04PM

  Overstated was my term which is not the same as misstated.

Saguaro450August 28, 2016 03:56PM

  Re: yeah we disagree nm

Speed_Kills595August 28, 2016 04:21PM

  why I disagree with that

zn359August 28, 2016 08:48PM

  Re: why I disagree with that

Speed_Kills404August 29, 2016 03:29AM

  Re: I think some are underestimating the implication

waterfield386August 28, 2016 08:32AM

  A couple of things I'd like to point out

Deadpool585August 28, 2016 08:58AM

  Two things in return

9er8er511August 28, 2016 09:04AM

  not really

Deadpool706August 28, 2016 10:04AM

  Re: not really

9er8er558August 28, 2016 11:45AM

  A nonsense

RFL607August 28, 2016 08:38PM

  Agree way too premature

BumRap524August 28, 2016 11:03PM

  Yep! IMO, Fisher...

Suh-weet!423August 29, 2016 04:10AM