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MMQB: Fisher-Snead relationship is toxic.

December 07, 2016 10:16PM
[mmqb.si.com]


Rams Junior High: Inside a Dysfunctional Front Office

Jeff Fisher’s recent comments revealed a giant riff between coaches and personnel, with both sides bickering about who’s to blame for the team’s failings. Plus more on Matt Stafford, Gronk and who to watch in Week 14

by Albert Breer
The Rams’ struggles haven’t been limited to the field in their first season back in L.A.

The Rams media session Tuesday didn’t play like a normal press conference inside the team’s temporary headquarters in Thousand Oaks, Calif. It was more like an assembly at what some in the building have come to know as “Rams Junior High.”

Coach Jeff Fisher was the speaker. General manager Les Snead’s new contract was the topic.

“I’m so busy here, I was honestly unaware he was extended. I’m being honest with you, we’re just working here,” Fisher said. “I look at this as being my responsibility, the win-loss record. We need to do a better job from a personnel standpoint. We’ve had some unfortunate things take place with some high picks in Stedman Bailey and Tre Mason and those kinds of things you don’t anticipate.

“But we’re moving forward.”

The comments went over like neutron bomb elsewhere in the ranks of the Rams. And it revealed a problem that’s existed since well before the team arrived on the West Coast.

In this week’s Game Plan, we’ll look at Carson Wentz’s recent struggles, the Patriots without Rob Gronkowski, the Giants’ free-agent class facing a major measuring-stick opportunity, a couple of Heisman finalists and the growth of burgeoning MVP candidate Matthew Stafford.

The Rams have not had a winning season since Fisher and Snead joined the franchise in 2012.

But we start in Los Angeles, with a deeper look into a problem that will be difficult for the Rams to fix going forward. And to be clear: What Fisher said Tuesday about the state of the team’s roster didn’t create a problem, so much as it revealed one that’s existed for quite some time.

The struggling 4-8 Rams host Atlanta on Sunday, then head to Seattle before closing the season with San Francisco and Arizona at home. If the Rams split those four, they’ll match the 2014 low-water mark for Fisher’s five years at the helm. If things don’t get better over the next month, there’s no assurance the club will go forward with any of the current power brokers on the football side.

And when I say “get better,” that means more than just beating the Niners or Falcons. It also means seeing the middle-school lunchroom sniping—the kind that earned the building the “Junior High” nickname—fixed to a reasonable degree.

Fisher’s take about the talent on the roster provides a window into the issue dividing the Rams front office. You can infer that a certain amount of water must flow under a team’s bridge before a high-ranking executive, like Fisher, publicly pees in the company pool.

“It pissed me off because I knew it was meant as a shot,” said one Rams source. “You see it under that umbrella—‘We need to do a better job in personnel.’ OK, but you want everyone to think that you have full control. You can’t have it both ways, and it can’t always be the talent. Look at the roster, 2012 to now. In ’12, Jeff did a masterful job with what he was given. But we’ve gotten more talent, and we’ve gotten worse.”

Fisher and Snead arrived as part of an arranged 2012 marriage after the Rams axed coach Steve Spagnuolo and GM Billy Devaney, and the team outdistanced the Dolphins for the coveted ex-Titans coach. Part of Fisher’s motivation for picking St. Louis was having larger say in personnel decisions, and the organization was structured to reflect that with a partnership between the coach and GM under COO Kevin Demoff.

There are differing accounts of when things soured. Efforts to get comments from both Fisher and Snead were unsuccessful on Wednesday. But the problems have been an open secret in league circles for some time.

Now, this isn’t exactly unusual. San Francisco had issues with Jim Harbaugh and Trent Baalke, which proved irreconcilable. The Colts had their own problems with Chuck Pagano and Ryan Grigson, and those two found a way to make peace and move forward when it seemed impossible. Way back, Giants GM George Young and coach Bill Parcells hated each other all the way to two Super Bowls.

That said, the relationship between Fisher and Snead has been consistently described to me as “toxic.” And it’s been that way for a while.

“It’s always good to have healthy tension between the coach and GM, but that shouldn’t hurt the team or cause finger-pointing,” said another club source. “Over five years, (Tuesday) was the first time you saw public comments. That should never happen. … The organization has given them a long leash. And given that they’ve had time, they have to win, and they have to be able to work together.”

From the coaching side, the only surprise in Fisher’s comments were that they were made publicly. Internally, while acknowledging there’s a talented young core in place (Robert Quinn, Aaron Donald, Todd Gurley, Alec Ogletree, Trumaine Johnson), complaints about the depth of the roster and a failure to strike with draft picks outside the first round haven’t exactly been rare.

As for the personnel side, their retort is swift. After jettisoning Brian Schottenheimer after the 2014 season, Fisher has chosen two first-time offensive coordinators who proved to be in over their heads, and offensive line development has been sparse behind line coach Paul Boudreau. The personnel side will acknowledge the team needs more help there, and at corner and receiver, but point out that losing players like cornerback Janoris Jenkins wasn’t their call.

They’ll also question how hard the team is pushed, with a lack of in-season padded practices being an example of the perceived problem.

Then it starts to get personal. One example: Perception held that Fisher’s guy in scouting for his first four years was Rich Snead (no relation to Les), who was seen as abrasive with scouts and an operative of the coach’s. He left the Rams last winter, amid some feeling that he was a divisive force in the organization.

To his credit, the GM has remained above board through this mess, at least publicly, and in the aftermath of Fisher’s comments. But clearly, there’s blame to go around when a team goes 31-44-1 in five years, without so much as a .500 season along the way.

Can that be fixed by New Year’s Day? It’s become increasingly clear that it better be.



~ max ~
“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 12/07/2016 10:20PM by max.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  MMQB: Fisher-Snead relationship is toxic.

max1939December 07, 2016 10:16PM

  Not surprised. Losing does that.

RockRam569December 07, 2016 10:40PM

  What I want to see happen......

NewMexicoRam837December 08, 2016 03:53AM

  Re: MMQB: Fisher-Snead relationship is toxic.

poplarbluffman729December 08, 2016 01:14AM

  One of the poorest written

CROMWELL21675December 08, 2016 01:31AM

  not so

zn793December 08, 2016 02:27AM

  Re: not so

CROMWELL21496December 08, 2016 02:35AM

  Breer is quoting sources inside Rams Park.

max702December 08, 2016 02:41AM

  Re: not so

zn481December 08, 2016 02:46AM

  That being the case, zn....

NewMexicoRam543December 08, 2016 03:56AM

  IMO

zn744December 08, 2016 04:10AM

  We are 2 for 2 today, zn

dodgerram488December 08, 2016 04:15AM

  well...no, we disagree (which is fine)

zn533December 08, 2016 04:23AM

  Okay, 1-2 ain´t so bad either for one day

dodgerram390December 08, 2016 04:34AM

  Re: Okay, 1-2 ain´t so bad either for one day

zn310December 08, 2016 04:49AM

  Re: Okay, 1-2 ain´t so bad either for one day

dodgerram364December 08, 2016 05:20AM

  @ Cromewell 21 - 2nd year team option nm

ferragamo79535December 08, 2016 07:46AM

  Re: @ Cromwell 21 - Thanks bro! nm

CROMWELL21355December 08, 2016 11:06AM

  I can answer your legal question

stlramz1110December 08, 2016 07:36PM

  are these billable hours?

21Dog492December 08, 2016 07:54PM

  Re: So what if they make up and get along?

Speed_Kills570December 08, 2016 03:32AM

  this quote...

LMU93547December 08, 2016 04:02AM

  Re: this quote...

zn649December 08, 2016 04:15AM

  Re: this quote...

dzrams467December 08, 2016 07:52AM

  Re: this quote...

zn495December 08, 2016 04:41PM

  Time to clean house

BigGame81510December 08, 2016 04:19AM

  as a great man once said.....

LMU93404December 08, 2016 05:23AM

  Re: as a great man once said.....

oldschoolramfan362December 08, 2016 05:35AM

  Fisher has final word so isn't he taking the blame here not dumping it on Snead

LesBaker410December 08, 2016 06:42AM

  Re: Fisher has final word so isn't he taking the blame here not dumping it on Snead

Zooey496December 08, 2016 07:41AM

  Re: I thought Hard Knocks was telling

BigGame81830December 08, 2016 07:44AM

  Was going to say the same thing

promomasterj435December 08, 2016 07:49AM

  Re: Was going to say the same thing

Zooey403December 08, 2016 08:15AM

  Fisher saying he didn't know about the extension

LesBaker376December 08, 2016 08:37AM

  Re: Fisher swaying he didn't know about the extension

Zooey410December 08, 2016 09:08AM

  I edited my post title and deleted the W

LesBaker278December 08, 2016 09:23AM

  GM's are prominent in the other Hard Knocks seasons

promomasterj358December 08, 2016 10:53AM

  If you are or aren't remembering right I am not sure it's meaningful

LesBaker436December 08, 2016 11:53AM

  Who would have gained ANYTHING from keeping Snead off the show?

Zooey419December 08, 2016 12:47PM

  Snead's dignity LOL

LesBaker407December 08, 2016 01:55PM

  Kroenke didn't 'orchestrate' Hard Knocks

promomasterj337December 08, 2016 02:20PM

  Re: Kroenke didn't 'orchestrate' Hard Knocks

Zooey403December 08, 2016 02:29PM

  It all goes back to MMQB article

promomasterj401December 08, 2016 03:47PM

  To Rift, or not to Rift

Zooey352December 08, 2016 04:48PM

  To sleep perchance to dream

LesBaker409December 08, 2016 06:02PM

  Neither was Hekker I've heard

LesBaker366December 08, 2016 08:36AM

  this team is a frickin MESS

ferragamo79444December 08, 2016 07:48AM

  it seems a bit over the top

PHDram377December 08, 2016 08:01AM

  Re: it seems a bit over the top

BigGame81398December 08, 2016 08:35AM

  i dont

PHDram512December 08, 2016 08:44AM

  I have to agree...

Guard403December 08, 2016 10:02AM

  Explains the short sightings in summer

Anonymous User395December 08, 2016 10:17AM

  Re: Explains the short sightings in summer

Zooey363December 08, 2016 10:30AM

  Re: Explains the short sightings in summer

zn407December 08, 2016 01:45PM

  LOL (nm)

Zooey256December 08, 2016 02:22PM

  LOL - that's all I meant!!!!

Anonymous User354December 08, 2016 08:16PM

  Re: MMQB: Fisher-Snead relationship is ... missing the core...

Ramdom490December 08, 2016 05:34PM

  Demoff is a bean counter

Zooey538December 08, 2016 05:43PM

  You may be wrong Zooey

waterfield369December 08, 2016 08:06PM

  But I'm not. Here is the FO structure

Zooey396December 08, 2016 08:29PM

  Re: You may be wrong Zooey

zn358December 08, 2016 08:44PM

  Too gossipy, not enough substance

9er8er388December 08, 2016 06:55PM

  Evidently not much truth either, these kinds of articles are what's toxic

LesBaker432December 09, 2016 05:51AM

  Re: Too many assumptions not enough facts...

laram515December 09, 2016 06:06AM

  Offensive coaching is the problem

Rams_81603December 09, 2016 06:03AM