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Re: Did anybody listen between the lnes?

December 23, 2023 11:21AM
Here's part of what the author said he thought he heard McVay saying:

"He seems to be indicating the snaps and holds may not be as consistent as they need to be."

Crosby all-of-a-sudden looks worse on practice than Havrisk. Common factor: They both are kicking out of the same holder. Will Crosby suddenly "improve" kicking out of Jame Gillan's holds?

I've seen good kickers start to miss when they change holders. During the Warner years in Arizona Niel Rackers started going wide right instead of dead-on when he had to change holders.

Remember the slo-mo videos of the holder spinning the ball so the laces were away from the kicker, spotting it down at just the right angles (there are two,) and getting his hands out of the way so as not to distort the impact of the kick?

I've asked repeatedly, even before Havrisk: Is it the holder? How can you reasonably expect to take a guy who has never held before and who doesn't regularly handle the ball, regardless how well he can kick it, and make an NFL holder out of him? Maybe, with consistent holds, Allen could be the FG/XP kicker. Without a top-flight holder, we'll never know.

I've looked repeatedly at stills where Allen's right hand drops down instead of moving up and away from the spot. His left-hand fingers seem to be surrounding the tip of the ball, maybe not touching but almost, and possibly being grazed by the ball when it is kicked. Even I recognize these things as poor technique.

Other kicker's still show the ball being held on the spot by outstretched, straight index and/or middle left-hand fingers with the rest of the fingers stretched away from the ball, not partially cupped around it, while the right hand is always pulled up and away.

That's before we get to the angles of the hold.

I've also stated a couple of times that the Rams in the past used DB's, used to handling the ball and great natural athletes, to hold kicks.And their kicker rarely missed anything. Danny Villanueva kicking out of Nolan Cromwell and Eddie Meador's holds.

Could a quick-reflexed Tomlinson become a good holder? What about Durant? Yeast? Lake? Does anybody on the team have experience hiolding? Wentz, even? Or a special teams guy?

Maybe it's time to start looking for potentially the best holder on staff. Train 'em up.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/23/2023 11:52AM by mtramfan.
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  I would have liked to see Patterson.

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  Re: I would have liked to see Patterson.

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  Re: I would have liked to see Patterson.

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  Will we get to see Crosby kick next week?

Ramsdude44December 23, 2023 12:17PM

  Re: Did anybody listen between the lnes?

mtramfan65December 23, 2023 11:21AM

  I would be willing to blame the holder if...

Ramsdude41December 23, 2023 12:14PM

  Re: I would be willing to blame the holder if...

mtramfan39December 23, 2023 12:24PM

  I get what you are saying brother.

Ramsdude33December 23, 2023 12:32PM

  Re: Sean McVay explains why Rams won't work out kickers despite Lucas Havrisik's struggles

Old Goat74December 22, 2023 08:14AM

  How about getting help on RZ play calling?

NewMexicoRam73December 22, 2023 08:19AM

  it is this thought process that makes me question his decisions

Stafford961December 22, 2023 08:23AM

  What about always trying to improve the team at every position???

Ramsdude99December 22, 2023 08:34AM

  Re: What about always trying to improve the team at every position???

BerendsenRam68December 22, 2023 10:01AM

  Exactly BR!

Ramsdude87December 22, 2023 10:14AM

  Re: Exactly BR!

BerendsenRam38December 23, 2023 08:06AM

  Re: Sean McVay explains why Rams won't work out kickers despite Lucas Havrisik's struggles

Ramkind47December 23, 2023 01:05PM

  McVay basically said in one of his Pressers decisions are affected because of Lucas Struggles

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  Here are Hav's College stats... Attachments

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  Re: Here are Hav's College stats...

AlbaNY_Ram41December 23, 2023 02:20PM

  Havrisik is just not good

den-the-coach39December 23, 2023 02:25PM

  I don't think he has been rock solid anywhere on the field

Ramsdude37December 23, 2023 02:52PM

  I posted his pro stats...11 of his makes are below 40 yards

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Ramsdude50December 23, 2023 03:05PM

  Gay Recommended Havrisik & Springer Coached him

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  Re: Gay Recommended Havrisik & Springer Coached him

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