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Re: dubious data

June 03, 2021 04:35AM
Not being familiar with the Vaers database prior to this pandemic I have tried to read up on it. Objective information about it tend to follow what this article from Forbes says: [www.forbes.com]

Data from the Vaers database shows there were 4,434 reports of death from Covid-19 vaccines through May 10, but that doesn’t mean 4,434 people died from a vaccine: Vaers is designed to allow anyone to report an event, meaning the data is unverified and may be explained by other factors.

Instead of reporting cases in real time, Vaers is what’s known as a “passive surveillance system,” or a “repository for voluntarily submitted reports.”

A disclaimer on the Vaers website notes that data “may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information” and “cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency or rates of problems associated with vaccines.”

The CDC says it has investigated the 4,000-plus reports of death from Covid-19 vaccines through May 10 and found no “causal link” to any Covid-19 vaccine, though “recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between” the Johnson & Johnson vaccine and a “rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

Vaers “is simply a system for people to report bad things that happen to them after vaccination, whether or not those events are caused by the vaccine,” Dr. William Moss, executive director of the International Vaccine Access Center at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, told Forbes.

The Vaers database was created in 1991 to help the federal government track potential side effects from vaccines. While the system’s data can be shoddy—anyone can report an adverse reaction to a shot—it’s important to scientists because sometimes rare side effects can slip through the cracks and go undetected.

Carlson’s comments are misleading, Moss said, because they imply “that the deaths were caused by the vaccine when in fact that is not the case. . . . Deaths are not unexpected in the weeks following Covid-19 vaccination when these vaccines are specifically administered to elderly adults, nursing home residents and people with underlying medical conditions,” Moss added. “Approximately 8,000 people die in the U.S. each day, and by chance some of these deaths will occur in someone who was recently vaccinated.”

To me, it seems that if someone makes an entry in the Vaers database that says 'my brother died from the covid vaccine' I would draw 2 conclusions: 1. the person got the covid vaccine and 2. the person subsequently died. I would not assume the two events were related. I think that needs to be a medical decision, not a decision by some random person who was unfortunate enough to have just lost a loved one.

More than 153 million people have been given at least one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine. As Moss notes, about 8,000 people die per day on average in the U.S. That means about 1 in 41,000 Americans die every day. At that rate, one would expect that several thousand vaccinated Americans would have died of some cause in about five months of administering shots.




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  Can't go to Rams practice

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  A private business has the right to dictate those terms

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  yup...No Shirts, No Shoes....

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  Just walk into CVS and get a shot

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  But OP doesn't want it

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  dubious data

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  in other words

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  It's self report data

PHDram228June 03, 2021 06:42AM

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  So what self report data is verified?

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PHDram218June 03, 2021 08:47AM

  Really?

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  It's not just the pharm industry

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  I just don't understand your math...

RantoulRam297June 03, 2021 04:51PM

  That's not accurate

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  You may be safe but it's killed hundreds of thousands

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PHDram276June 02, 2021 07:35PM

  You're allowed to disclose your own HIPAA health info.

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zn254June 03, 2021 12:56AM

  Yeah we're really fighting against science in today's society

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  I don't get the response

zn202June 03, 2021 04:49PM

  Each person and business has the right to decide

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  If you're vaccinated

PHDram256June 04, 2021 08:17AM

  Here's the mindset

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  Thank you....

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  old parents or young children

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