June 03, 2021 04:35AM
Not being familiar with the Vaers database prior to this pandemic I have tried to read up on it. Objective information about it tend to follow what this article from Forbes says: [www.forbes.com]

Data from the Vaers database shows there were 4,434 reports of death from Covid-19 vaccines through May 10, but that doesn’t mean 4,434 people died from a vaccine: Vaers is designed to allow anyone to report an event, meaning the data is unverified and may be explained by other factors.

Instead of reporting cases in real time, Vaers is what’s known as a “passive surveillance system,” or a “repository for voluntarily submitted reports.”

A disclaimer on the Vaers website notes that data “may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information” and “cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency or rates of problems associated with vaccines.”

The CDC says it has investigated the 4,000-plus reports of death from Covid-19 vaccines through May 10 and found no “causal link” to any Covid-19 vaccine, though “recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between” the Johnson & Johnson vaccine and a “rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

Vaers “is simply a system for people to report bad things that happen to them after vaccination, whether or not those events are caused by the vaccine,” Dr. William Moss, executive director of the International Vaccine Access Center at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, told Forbes.

The Vaers database was created in 1991 to help the federal government track potential side effects from vaccines. While the system’s data can be shoddy—anyone can report an adverse reaction to a shot—it’s important to scientists because sometimes rare side effects can slip through the cracks and go undetected.

Carlson’s comments are misleading, Moss said, because they imply “that the deaths were caused by the vaccine when in fact that is not the case. . . . Deaths are not unexpected in the weeks following Covid-19 vaccination when these vaccines are specifically administered to elderly adults, nursing home residents and people with underlying medical conditions,” Moss added. “Approximately 8,000 people die in the U.S. each day, and by chance some of these deaths will occur in someone who was recently vaccinated.”

To me, it seems that if someone makes an entry in the Vaers database that says 'my brother died from the covid vaccine' I would draw 2 conclusions: 1. the person got the covid vaccine and 2. the person subsequently died. I would not assume the two events were related. I think that needs to be a medical decision, not a decision by some random person who was unfortunate enough to have just lost a loved one.

More than 153 million people have been given at least one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine. As Moss notes, about 8,000 people die per day on average in the U.S. That means about 1 in 41,000 Americans die every day. At that rate, one would expect that several thousand vaccinated Americans would have died of some cause in about five months of administering shots.




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  Can't go to Rams practice

kw131032June 02, 2021 03:15PM

  A private business has the right to dictate those terms

stlramz223June 02, 2021 03:21PM

  yup...No Shirts, No Shoes....

SunTzu_vs_Camus163June 03, 2021 07:10AM

  Just walk into CVS and get a shot

promomasterj226June 02, 2021 03:23PM

  But OP doesn't want it

BigGame81233June 02, 2021 03:46PM

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SoCalRAMatic229June 02, 2021 04:38PM

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BigGame81189June 02, 2021 04:46PM

  It's not about whether or not they get vaxxed to me.

Ram_Ruler186June 02, 2021 04:59PM

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Golden Ram298June 02, 2021 05:24PM

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Ekern55187June 02, 2021 05:32PM

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Golden Ram185June 02, 2021 05:39PM

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Ekern55180June 02, 2021 05:42PM

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zn202June 03, 2021 01:19AM

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Hram256June 02, 2021 05:37PM

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Ekern55174June 02, 2021 05:40PM

  dubious data

L.A.Rams182June 03, 2021 02:39AM

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Ekern55176June 03, 2021 03:54AM

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AlbaNY_Ram140June 03, 2021 03:59AM

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zn191June 03, 2021 05:21AM

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AlbaNY_Ram145June 03, 2021 05:40AM

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Ekern55228June 03, 2021 06:01AM

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AlbaNY_Ram147June 03, 2021 06:22AM

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Ekern55212June 03, 2021 06:33AM

  in other words

zn145June 03, 2021 06:06AM

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Ekern55176June 03, 2021 06:22AM

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zn127June 03, 2021 06:25AM

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Ekern55136June 03, 2021 06:46AM

  It's self report data

PHDram139June 03, 2021 06:42AM

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zn132June 03, 2021 06:58AM

  So what self report data is verified?

PHDram136June 03, 2021 07:11AM

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DaJudge151June 03, 2021 07:45AM

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PHDram124June 03, 2021 08:40AM

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zn133June 03, 2021 07:47AM

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Ekern55137June 03, 2021 07:53AM

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AlbaNY_Ram131June 03, 2021 08:17AM

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Ekern55154June 03, 2021 08:40AM

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AlbaNY_Ram157June 03, 2021 08:50AM

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Ekern55145June 03, 2021 09:42AM

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AlbaNY_Ram137June 03, 2021 01:10PM

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zn153June 03, 2021 04:36PM

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Ekern55197June 03, 2021 05:48PM

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PHDram138June 03, 2021 08:47AM

  Really?

PHDram111June 03, 2021 09:11AM

  Re: dubious data

L.A.Rams138June 03, 2021 06:46AM

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zn147June 03, 2021 07:00AM

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Ekern55143June 03, 2021 07:46AM

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moklerman227June 03, 2021 10:56AM

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Golden Ram135June 03, 2021 12:33PM

  It's not just the pharm industry

PHDram122June 03, 2021 12:55PM

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Ekern55133June 03, 2021 01:57PM

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Ekern55122June 03, 2021 01:45PM

  I just don't understand your math...

RantoulRam222June 03, 2021 04:51PM

  That's not accurate

PHDram125June 03, 2021 06:25PM

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moklerman130June 03, 2021 06:40PM

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PHDram114June 03, 2021 07:09PM

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zn109June 03, 2021 07:05PM

  Re: But OP doesn't want it

Arkansas Ram132June 03, 2021 05:05AM

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Ekern55129June 03, 2021 07:56AM

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Arkansas Ram127June 03, 2021 10:30AM

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NewportRam129June 03, 2021 01:18PM

  You may be safe but it's killed hundreds of thousands

Ram_Ruler194June 02, 2021 04:57PM

  Re: You may be safe but it's killed hundreds of thousands

PHDram204June 02, 2021 07:35PM

  You're allowed to disclose your own HIPAA health info.

Ram_Ruler147June 03, 2021 04:22AM

  Re: You may be safe but it's killed hundreds of thousands

Golden Ram133June 03, 2021 12:36PM

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zn173June 03, 2021 12:56AM

  Yeah we're really fighting against science in today's society

Ram_Ruler137June 03, 2021 04:24AM

  Re: Yeah we're really fighting against science in today's society

zn140June 03, 2021 05:19AM

  Re: People with "pre-existing" conditions don't have a choice.

oldschoolramfan206June 03, 2021 06:23AM

  Re: People with "pre-existing" conditions don't have a choice.

zn223June 03, 2021 06:39AM

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oldschoolramfan174June 03, 2021 10:19AM

  I don't get the response

zn117June 03, 2021 04:49PM

  Each person and business has the right to decide

RockRam139June 03, 2021 03:01PM

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Golden Ram197June 02, 2021 05:12PM

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Rampage2K-125June 04, 2021 11:20AM

  If you're vaccinated

PHDram183June 04, 2021 08:17AM

  Here's the mindset

max122June 04, 2021 09:28AM

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ramBRO170June 04, 2021 09:50AM

  Thank you....

RAMbler130June 04, 2021 10:27AM

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PHDram123June 04, 2021 06:48PM

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PHDram111June 04, 2021 06:32PM

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Rampage2K-195June 04, 2021 10:59AM

  old parents or young children

PHDram130June 04, 2021 06:55PM