December 30, 2019 07:18AM
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Ram_Ruler
But it sounds like, even with all the big trades on defense and the signing of Suh, we still only managed to be an average defense? Is that accurate? Because if the offense being 15th this season did us in, then the defense being 14th, 13th, etc was likely a big issue the past two seasons

Yeah the D has managed to only be average when I believe their talent level seems like it's above average. But maybe we're exaggerating the talent on D.

This is why I stated above to compare the D to the pieces we have on offense.

This year we had two consistent, standout performers: Donald and Littleton. Ramsey has a rep for being elite and he played decently well but I don't think we got elite performance from him. And is the defense as a system going to get the full benefit of having his level of talent when we plug him in mid season? If he's the best press man in the league, it doesn't seem like we did.

Last year we had Donald and who? Probably only Littleton again and Suh in the playoffs.

Someone recently made a good point in regard to the structure of the team. Who has the defense invested in as far as foundational pieces? So far, only Donald. The rest are pieces that have constantly moved in and out. Suh is in one year, out the next.

The offense, on the other hand, has probably got more talent overall and perhaps most importantly the core pieces have been in place for several years.

Perhaps it's unfair to expect Wade to get much more than average results when we have not given him more than one player on which to build the foundation of the D. Just handing him a hodgepodge of supposedly "above average" players isn't the same thing.

I think this is the reason why they traded for Ramsey. They need to make a long term investment in another core defensive piece. Then you build your entire defense on those 2 or 3 players.
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  Those of you who don't want Wade back......

oldschoolramfan1284December 29, 2019 11:47AM

  Re: Those of you who don't want Wade back......

cool_hand_luke327December 29, 2019 12:52PM

  Re: Those of you who don't want Wade back......

Classicalwit341December 29, 2019 01:07PM

  ...yer preaching to the choir, bro!!

SunTzu_vs_Camus383December 29, 2019 01:09PM

  Re: ...yer preaching to the choir, bro!!

cool_hand_luke344December 29, 2019 01:12PM

  Re: ...yer preaching to the choir, bro!!

Ekern55231December 29, 2019 01:14PM

  I'm not so sure about that

Deadpool254December 29, 2019 02:55PM

  Thanks for the numbers that back up my thoughts

NewMexicoRam227December 29, 2019 03:05PM

  Re: Stable is not always a positive...

dzrams189December 29, 2019 03:16PM

  the problem I have with the D

Deadpool209December 29, 2019 03:29PM

  Re: the problem I have with the D

dzrams467December 29, 2019 04:16PM

  Re: the problem I have with the D

cool_hand_luke181December 30, 2019 05:00AM

  Re: Agreed...

dzrams186December 29, 2019 03:12PM

  I cannot believe Weddle was responsible

Deadpool192December 29, 2019 04:52PM

  Re: Agree and disagree...

dzrams166December 29, 2019 05:57PM

  you make excellent points as usual

Deadpool164December 29, 2019 06:11PM

  Re: ...yer preaching to the choir, bro!!

no name184December 29, 2019 07:38PM

  Re: No jumping off the ship for me.......

oldschoolramfan212December 29, 2019 02:07PM

  I have a question and a statement

Ram49235December 29, 2019 02:50PM

  Re: I have a question and a statement

rampage666250December 29, 2019 03:00PM

  Nah, time for Wade to go

Deadhead Ram376December 29, 2019 02:55PM

  My thing with Wade. He's been given pieces

Ram_Ruler234December 29, 2019 03:05PM

  Re: Now compare that to the O pieces...nm

dzrams175December 29, 2019 03:21PM

  I believe the offense still ranked top 10

Ram_Ruler287December 29, 2019 06:01PM

  Re: Not quite...

dzrams264December 29, 2019 07:20PM

  Ah dang. Close though lol

Ram_Ruler150December 30, 2019 04:05AM

  Re: By what measurement?

dzrams165December 30, 2019 06:38AM

  Not sure. I don't know what metrics are best anymore

Ram_Ruler157December 30, 2019 06:44AM

  Re: Not sure. I don't know what metrics are best anymore

dzrams152December 30, 2019 07:18AM

  I can see what you're saying

Ram_Ruler169December 30, 2019 07:30AM

  Re: I can see what you're saying

Ekern55149December 30, 2019 07:37AM

  Re: I can see what you're saying

Rams43148December 30, 2019 09:20AM

  Re: I can see what you're saying

Ekern55149December 30, 2019 11:12AM

  Re: I can see what you're saying

dzrams152December 30, 2019 08:56AM

  Re: I can see what you're saying

Rams43139December 30, 2019 09:31AM

  Re: It was SB caliber last year...

dzrams168December 30, 2019 09:46AM

  Re: It was SB caliber last year...

Rams43150December 30, 2019 10:08AM

  Re: Those of you who don't want Wade back......look at 9ers DC

BumRap236December 29, 2019 03:58PM

  I don't want wade back

reggae238December 29, 2019 04:05PM

  Re: I don't want wade back

Deadhead Ram394December 29, 2019 04:22PM

  Re: Those of you who don't want Wade back......

george_allen318December 29, 2019 05:23PM

  But the D has not been stable.

Ramgator167December 29, 2019 05:34PM

  Re: depends...

Speed_Kills173December 29, 2019 05:47PM

  Re: depends...

den-the-coach168December 30, 2019 04:39AM

  Re: Don't complain without a solution.........

oldschoolramfan160December 30, 2019 06:46AM

  Re: Don't complain without a solution.........Jay Rodgers (Bears)

den-the-coach173December 30, 2019 08:50AM

  Re: Don't complain without a solution.........Jay Rodgers (Bears)

BigGame81162December 30, 2019 09:50AM

  Mike Zimmer

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zn177December 30, 2019 09:27AM

  Re: Mike Zimmer

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  Re: Mike Zimmer

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