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Re: What does that even mean?

December 16, 2019 04:29PM
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I agree that when conditions are right I like the throws he can make. But the weakness of collapsing when under pressure is very disconcerting. That's a huge weakness because they will never be able to prevent all pressure.

No one has ever established that Goff is bad under normal or average pressure. I have no idea why you would leap to that conclusion---there's just no basis for it.

PLUS in the middle of all this, people talk about pressure, and then--astoundingly, since these are people generally informed about football--completely neglect to account for the OL conditions.

If all you look at is the qb, the qb is all you will ever see.

But that's not the same as making a good analysis.

What is normal or average pressure? Compared to what? Heavy pressure? I think you're just making stuff up now. I have no idea why you think it's necessary to distinguish between types of pressure - there's just no basis for that.

My opinion is that pressure is pressure. You'd have to prove to me that that is not the case. Do you have any examples to differentiate between normal pressure versus heavy pressure? Can you name any QBs who were different under "normal" pressure versus some different kind of pressure?

When talking about pressure it's necessarily accounting for the OL since the vast majority of time a QB is under pressure, it's an OL failure. Every so often it's the QBs fault. So the context of the entire subject of a QB facing pressure is OL failure.

Find the statistical average. That's all that means.

And while your opinion may be that pressure is pressure, you still need the evidence that a minimal amount has the same effect as the highest amount. Don't do that and it's just a big opinion, and that's all. You haven't proven that pressure is pressure, you just assume it. When the testimony of my own eyes tells me your assumption does not hold up.

No accounting for the OL does not mean making bland unstated assumptions. It means factoring it in. That means paying attention to things like the fact that a a line has been mauled by multiple injuries, or a bad OL injuries or not, and actually making that part of the analysis. You in contrast begin with qb stats and end with qb stats. I am a huge context guy and always have been. To me the stats on one guy thing is too abstract and has the likelihood of creating these math-based but unreal phantoms.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/16/2019 04:30PM by zn.
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  IMO Goff's mechanics suck.....

roman18826December 16, 2019 03:43AM

  Re: IMO protection was not an issue yesterday

Speed_Kills293December 16, 2019 04:57AM

  are you kidding?

zn338December 16, 2019 07:00AM

  Re: no I'm not kidding

Speed_Kills279December 16, 2019 07:15AM

  Re: no I'm not kidding

zn313December 16, 2019 07:23AM

  Re: no I'm not kidding

Speed_Kills267December 16, 2019 07:25AM

  do yourself a favor

zn205December 16, 2019 11:57AM

  Re: Ok so if it was the pressures then post them

Speed_Kills428December 16, 2019 12:13PM

  Re: Ok so if it was the pressures then post them

zn215December 16, 2019 12:22PM

  Re: nope don't need to do that

Speed_Kills191December 16, 2019 12:37PM

  I think you are both right and wrong

Deadpool225December 16, 2019 02:40PM

  Re: I think you are both right and wrong

zn191December 16, 2019 03:04PM

  Re: yup dead I’m good

Speed_Kills186December 16, 2019 04:00PM

  his early game misses

21Dog307December 16, 2019 04:59AM

  Re: his early game misses

Ohiorams217December 16, 2019 06:09AM

  Re: IMO Goff's mechanics suck.....

CraigMatson206December 16, 2019 06:11AM

  Re: IMO Goff's mechanics suck.....

joram381December 16, 2019 06:37AM

  did they against Seattle?

zn225December 16, 2019 07:08AM

  Re: did they against Seattle?

Rampage2K-220December 16, 2019 07:17AM

  Re: I have essentially said the same thing

Speed_Kills215December 16, 2019 07:41AM

  Re: I have essentially said the same thing

zn240December 16, 2019 11:57AM

  Goff is in a group of above average QBs

max214December 16, 2019 08:00AM

  Re: Goff is in a group of above average QBs

dzrams199December 16, 2019 08:39AM

  Re: Goff is in a group of above average QBs

max166December 16, 2019 09:19AM

  Re: Fair enough...

dzrams284December 16, 2019 09:47AM

  Re: Fair enough...

max287December 16, 2019 11:45AM

  and here's what there's no evidence of

zn165December 16, 2019 12:25PM

  Re: What does that even mean?

dzrams172December 16, 2019 12:42PM

  Re: What does that even mean?

zn178December 16, 2019 04:29PM

  Oh to be in the NFC East like Wentz

promomasterj179December 16, 2019 11:55AM

  But

waterfield166December 16, 2019 12:43PM

  Re: Goff is CLEARLY in a group of BELOW average QBs

spagsbacker184December 16, 2019 05:32PM

  Re: IMO Goff's mechanics suck.....

Classicalwit166December 16, 2019 08:01AM

  Goff was off target yesterday

six2stack207December 16, 2019 08:23AM

  not ONE end around give...iirc

SunTzu_vs_Camus201December 16, 2019 08:36AM

  no jet sweeps yesterday was bizarre.....

Rampage2K-215December 16, 2019 09:05AM

  We didn't play the Cowboys the last 2 weeks

promomasterj170December 16, 2019 09:41AM

  Do we have a QB coach?

mexram284December 16, 2019 05:58PM

  Re: Do we have a QB coach?

MamaRAMa151December 16, 2019 06:34PM

  yes

zn285December 16, 2019 07:22PM