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There are a bunch of QBs that you can win with if everything around them is really good. Goff is one of those guys.
So is Wentz, Dak, Carr, Garoppolo, Cousins, Ryan, and maybe a couple of others....
Goff isn’t going to be anything special, but if Flacco and Eli can win a SB so can Goff.
I'd say the numbers show that Goff is a little bit behind Wentz, Dak, Cousins, and Ryan. While those guys do need things around them to be good in order to win, Goff collapses a little bit more than them when conditions are not ideal.
His overall numbers in less than ideal conditions are more akin to Carr and Garoppolo and when honing in specifically on under pressure numbers, they are much worse than all of the above listed QBs.
On your last line, I agree it's possible but it's rare.
Its a reasonable take that Goff collapses a little bit more than those other guys, but its also reasonable to say when things are good around Goff he can make better throws than those guys. The point being is that there are different types of above average QBs, with different strengths and weakness that average out to be about the same level of QB - Above Average.
Only one of those guys played in a SB (besides Goff) and Ryan choked blowing a huge lead. I'd be hard pressed to say Ryan is better than Goff. Ive seen Ryan look like absolute crap when his OL was bad. I think they're about the same.
Cousins has been around for 8 years and hasn't done anything in the playoffs. Wentz hasn't stayed healthy enough to do anything in the playoffs. And Dak has been better but has played behind a great OL for most of his short career.
But there is no doubt that teams know if they can put pressure on Goff he will do worse than those other guys. The Rams have less room for error with Goff. As I've said repeatedly, Goff is a triggerfish. He'll look beautiful as long as the conditions are just right. Don't mess up the temp and saline in the tank otherwise he'll be the first fish to go belly up.
This is a reasonable take too. I'm not entirely sure that I buy that Goff is above average.
I like your triggerfish analogy. I agree that when conditions are right I like the throws he can make. But the weakness of collapsing when under pressure is very disconcerting. That's a huge weakness because they will never be able to prevent all pressure. And it's troubling because generally the teams that can put heavy pressure on him tend to be the tough, playoff teams.
It's basically conceding that our offense is going to struggle against most of the good teams. Every so often you'll get an exception like Seattle that's a good team with a very poor defense.
Given the magnitude of his weakness, I can't rate him above average at the moment. Besides, I'm not excited about putting him in the Wentz/Dak/Carr/Garoppolo/Cousins/Ryan tier because of how rare that caliber of QB wins. Personally if I was running a team, I wouldn't be building with that caliber of QB if I'm paying them 2nd contract money.