December 31, 2018 01:15PM
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Speed_Kills
We consistently measure franchise QBs on wins and clutch performances. We have a second year QB in KC about to be named NFL MVP, we have Brees, Brady, Big Ben, Phillip Rivers all considered great and elite not just because of their stats but because often times they have clearly been the reasons their teams have won. They elevate their teams and perform on the biggest stages and at th lte biggest times

Is Goff that level? No it does not appear so. Can he get there? He has the physical skills for sure I don’t know if he has the head to be at that level. At least I haven’t seen it yet. I thought he was on the way and now I have doubts.

In any case, like you have said this coming playoff is big for him. Huge opportunity to take control of the narrative and yes get paid and close any doubt.

I’m pulling for the kid. Go Rams! They will need him if they want to get to the SB this year.

2nd contracts are not a player performance rating system. They don't work that way.

They are governed by one major thing--the going market rate for the player's position the year he is up. That's why Carr gets more than Wilson (25 M v. 22 M). It's not because someone decided that Carr had more clutch wins and good playoff games than Wilson. It's because Carr came up in 2017 and Wilson came up in 2015.

Here's all that happens with a qb 2nd contract. The team goes, do we want this guy or not, and if it's yes, you pay him the market, or someone else will.

Now there is some minor leeway. The annual contract amount is a general target, but some can get a certain percentage more than others, but it's always within the framework of the market.

And NO ONE is going to count every minor detail in judging a young qb. If they want him it's because they believe in him, and if he hasn't come through in the post-season yet, if you want him you assume he will do so for you--you believe in him.

In fact the 2 highest qb 2nd contracts right now are Cousins and Garoppolo. Of the 2 Cousins was in the playoffs once and his team lost. The difference between their 2 contracts is around half a million. The key was just this---SF needed a qb and J G was a free agent and they wanted to keep him rather than start over so they gave him basically the going rate for qb 2nd contracts that year.

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  GOFF HAS A LOT OF MONEY RIDING ON HIS NEXT GAME

max1128December 31, 2018 11:56AM

  Re: GOFF HAS A LOT OF MONEY RIDING ON HIS NEXT GAME

Rampage2K-398December 31, 2018 12:16PM

  Re: GOFF HAS A LOT OF MONEY RIDING ON HIS NEXT GAME

Barf33315December 31, 2018 12:25PM

  I agree with rams2k as well.

NewMexicoRam274December 31, 2018 03:12PM

  Nah...

IowaRam329December 31, 2018 12:37PM

  And just like Gurley

IowaRam301December 31, 2018 12:42PM

  Yes...after 2019...

jemach182January 03, 2019 05:27PM

  Waiting Costs $$$

RamBill185January 03, 2019 06:03PM

  Unless you get him to play under his rookie deal...

jemach167January 04, 2019 12:38PM

  Re: Totally reasonable take

Speed_Kills360December 31, 2018 12:42PM

  Re: Totally reasonable take

max288December 31, 2018 12:56PM

  has nothing to do with contracts

zn319December 31, 2018 01:15PM

  Well-Speed is correct in one respect

waterfield278December 31, 2018 02:05PM

  Re: Correct

Speed_Kills280December 31, 2018 02:26PM

  Re: Correct

zn269December 31, 2018 02:41PM

  well...no

zn291December 31, 2018 02:35PM

  Re: Well-Speed is correct in one respect

dzrams300December 31, 2018 05:37PM

  True... but...

JamesJM321December 31, 2018 05:48PM

  Re: True... but...

dzrams298December 31, 2018 05:58PM

  Re: Well-Speed is correct in one respect

Speed_Kills345December 31, 2018 06:11PM

  Re: I think you should reread it....

dzrams236December 31, 2018 06:21PM

  Re: ok but I took it to read

Speed_Kills207December 31, 2018 06:32PM

  Re: ok but I took it to read

dzrams233December 31, 2018 06:44PM

  Re: Well-Speed is correct in one respect

zn309December 31, 2018 06:59PM

  Re: Well-Speed is correct in one respect

Speed_Kills261January 01, 2019 04:55AM

  Re: Well-Speed is correct in one respect

zn283January 01, 2019 07:28AM

  i think everybody wants Goff

Los Angeles Lenny230January 02, 2019 09:52AM

  no such thing

zn231January 02, 2019 10:31AM

  6, 14, 11, and 8

PHDram239January 02, 2019 11:03AM

  but those kinds of details are basically just random

zn219January 02, 2019 12:36PM

  Re: but those kinds of details are basically just random

PHDram271January 02, 2019 01:01PM

  you misunderstood

zn264January 02, 2019 01:15PM

  Re: you misunderstood

PHDram935January 02, 2019 01:55PM

  Re: you misunderstood

zn200January 02, 2019 03:26PM

  Re: you misunderstood

PHDram220January 02, 2019 09:36PM

  Not all franchise QBs are created equal.

jemach187January 03, 2019 05:35PM

  Re: Not all franchise QBs are created equal.

zn181January 03, 2019 06:18PM

  Remember this

NewMexicoRam241December 31, 2018 06:11PM

  Re: Im in no hurry to extend Goff....

spagsbacker332December 31, 2018 01:03PM

  1st-ever 2-time Pro-Bowler "middling" QB... sheesh (nm)

Suh-weet!247December 31, 2018 05:52PM

  Re: 1st-ever 2-time Pro-Bowler "middling" QB... sheesh (nm)

moklerman719January 01, 2019 10:53AM

  Re: 1st-ever 2-time Pro-Bowler "middling" QB... sheesh (nm)

Suh-weet!179January 03, 2019 04:21PM

  Re: 1st-ever 2-time Pro-Bowler "middling" QB... sheesh (nm)

moklerman183January 04, 2019 07:53AM

  we know you hate Goff

ferragamo79171January 04, 2019 11:59AM

  Re: we know you hate Goff

moklerman181January 04, 2019 04:17PM

  Re: Im in no hurry to extend Goff....(to win)

BumRap179January 02, 2019 07:14PM

  Ummm no

Ram49317December 31, 2018 01:51PM

  Re: Ummm no

Rams43281December 31, 2018 02:29PM

  Re: This...there's an almost 0% chance...

dzrams248December 31, 2018 06:24PM

  After this season?

jemach178January 03, 2019 05:38PM

  Re: There's no rush...

dzrams190January 03, 2019 07:45PM

  IT ABSOLUTELY DOESN'T MATTER IN THE LEAST

AlbaNY_Ram217December 31, 2018 02:28PM

  Goff = Rams franchise QB

ferragamo79283December 31, 2018 02:51PM

  Re: Oh man gamo. Wow nm

Speed_Kills215December 31, 2018 06:34PM

  What did Jimmy G get after 7 starts?

sacram310December 31, 2018 03:28PM

  Jimmy G was a free agent...

jemach185January 03, 2019 05:28PM

  Re: Jimmy G was a free agent...

sacram190January 04, 2019 09:49AM

  He's a 24 y.o., back-to-back Pro Bowl QB

Suh-weet!287December 31, 2018 05:50PM

  Re: 2 years in a row with 100+ rating

merlin452December 31, 2018 06:18PM

  Re: 2 years in a row with 100+ rating

moklerman187January 02, 2019 06:58PM

  Re: 2 years in a row with 100+ rating

zn182January 02, 2019 07:59PM

  Re: Goff is being held to a different standard IMO

merlin190January 03, 2019 09:13AM

  Re: This is common right?

dzrams187January 02, 2019 08:52PM

  Re: This is common right?

RamsFanSinceLA179January 03, 2019 06:47AM

  Payton Manning...

Saguaro327December 31, 2018 09:52PM

  Was hailed as best QB for years despite ugly playoff losses

EternalHorns272January 01, 2019 04:42AM

  Very True Sag

Ram Fan Teacher194January 01, 2019 04:48AM

  Bravo, Sag

Old Goat191January 04, 2019 04:27PM

  Re: GOFF HAS A LOT OF MONEY RIDING ON HIS NEXT GAME

Steve346January 01, 2019 12:04AM

  Bears and QBs

wv ram419January 01, 2019 03:22AM

  What the qb will face in the playoffs

waterfield170January 02, 2019 07:22PM

  Goff will be here a long time

David Deacon388January 01, 2019 03:26AM

  he's a solidly top 8-10 QB right now

LMU93694January 01, 2019 06:57AM

  Pay the man...now

WisconsinRam191January 01, 2019 03:49AM

  Money is not the only factor.

Ramboni272January 01, 2019 03:59AM

  Re: Goff is going nowhere and he will get paid - however this game turns out

RamsFanSinceLA222January 02, 2019 09:17AM

  I like Goff but not 30 mil a year

Los Angeles Lenny218January 02, 2019 09:39AM

  Re: I like Goff but not 30 mil a year

Rams43751January 02, 2019 09:51AM

  Re: I like Goff but not 30 mil a year

zn213January 02, 2019 12:57PM

  I trust Warner

Los Angeles Lenny361January 02, 2019 09:48AM

  Re: I trust Warner

socalmab255January 02, 2019 03:47PM

  Re: I trust Warner

kw13262January 02, 2019 05:32PM

  Here’s the problem with Warner

max205January 03, 2019 11:18AM

  Re: Here’s the problem with Warner

Rampage2K-229January 03, 2019 12:49PM

  Warner on Goff from draft day and more.....

Rampage2K-212January 03, 2019 01:00PM

  Ancient stuff

max184January 03, 2019 02:10PM

  Re: no because he didn't trash him

Speed_Kills174January 03, 2019 02:19PM

  Re: max seriously

Speed_Kills187January 03, 2019 02:18PM

  To compare Goff with Warner at any age...

jemach215January 03, 2019 05:30PM

  Re: agreed and Warner has a job to do

Speed_Kills191January 03, 2019 11:27PM

  Re: agreed and Warner has a job to do

Rampage2K-209January 04, 2019 01:18AM

  NFL commentators are reactionary in NFL more than other sports

Rams_81180January 04, 2019 02:22AM

  So are the fans

PHDram165January 04, 2019 08:04AM

  Not sure where you stand here - injury management

Rams_81177January 04, 2019 08:46AM

  Re: Not sure where you stand here - injury management

PHDram165January 04, 2019 12:11PM

  Re: 2K

Speed_Kills171January 04, 2019 03:30AM

  Re: 2K

Rampage2K-199January 04, 2019 08:34AM

  Mahomes had zero to do with KC losing one game...

jemach168January 04, 2019 12:42PM

  Re: Mahomes had zero to do with KC losing one game...

Rampage2K-175January 04, 2019 12:59PM

  Goff is a good player, but McVay could make 15 QBs

Rams_81229January 03, 2019 03:55AM

  What are you talking about?

max213January 03, 2019 02:14PM

  Getting hard to read this stuff

BumRap208January 03, 2019 07:11PM

  Re: Getting hard to read this stuff

Speed_Kills225January 03, 2019 11:19PM

  Re: Getting hard to read this stuff

Rampage2K-211January 04, 2019 01:29AM

  Re: yeah but Warner has said is exactly

Speed_Kills209January 04, 2019 03:44AM

  Speed’s position seems quite reasonable to me...

Rams43191January 04, 2019 07:37AM

  Re: I hope you are right

Speed_Kills174January 04, 2019 08:50AM

  Re: It is, some can't handle Goff criticism....

spagsbacker181January 04, 2019 01:20PM

  Re: Getting hard to read this stuff

moklerman206January 04, 2019 11:49AM

  I said top 15

Rams_81179January 04, 2019 02:08AM