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Re: It feels a little backwards to me...

December 05, 2018 10:44AM
sure. let me illustrate with an example

A recent CTE study (see below) found that CTE existed in 110 out of 111 (99%) deceased former NFL players. This seems pretty bad right? But then you look at how the sample was derived....A convenience sample of deceased players who donated their brains to be studied BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD CTE. Is it really surprising that they found a correlation between football and CTE? What if you looked the sample of ALLl football players including those who did NOT think they had CTE? Would you still see a correlation? i dont know for sure, but I can guarantee that the percentage of those with CTE would be lower.

So similarly by limiting your sample to only "good" offenses you are biasing your sample to teams who can move the ball and thus more likely to be able to score both inside or outside the redzone. Conversely, by including the universe (both good an bad offenses) you get a more realistic understanding of the correlation (if there is one).


source: [www.cnn.com]




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dzrams
It sounds like your world involves analyzing statistical data. So...tell me from that basis why I would want to focus on winning teams and top offenses?

In my mind, there are so many factors in whether a team wins or not - e.g. horrible defense or STs or coaching - which makes whether the team overall is a winner less informative. But drilling down and looking at only offensive efficiency and its correlation to RZ efficiency seems to me to be the best way to measure whether that particular metric is valuable.

Good point on only having one year. I agree with you that more years of data are required to draw better conclusions.

With that in mind, here is 2017:

(In parenthesis scoring offense rank, RZ TD rank)

Philly (1, 2)
NE (2, 3)
Rams (3, 17)
NO (4, 5)
Pittsburgh (5, 18)
Jacksonville (6, 1)
KC (7, 29)
Detroit (8, 10)
Baltimore (9, 9)
Minnesota (10, 13)

In 2017, the Rams, Pittsburgh and KC had top 10 scoring offenses but were not in the top 15 of RZ efficiency. Draw your own conclusions but I think it's informative that 7 out of the top scoring offenses were on the list.

I haven't looked so I'm just theorizing but my guess is that the 3 teams not on the list either were among the league leaders in RZ attempts AND/OR they have an awesome kicker.
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  Red Zone Ranking

jemach416December 05, 2018 04:00AM

  I'd prefer red zone defense improvement

LMU93141December 05, 2018 04:08AM

  Re: I'd prefer red zone defense improvement

zn140December 05, 2018 04:24AM

  So what does this say to you? NM

PHDram96December 05, 2018 05:24AM

  It say we are improving...

jemach88December 05, 2018 07:34AM

  Re: Red Zone Ranking

David Deacon140December 05, 2018 06:04AM

  conventional wisdom

PHDram112December 05, 2018 06:44AM

  Or it means...

jemach149December 05, 2018 07:39AM

  i think you may be correct

PHDram83December 05, 2018 07:51AM

  Re: Both would matter...

dzrams218December 05, 2018 08:02AM

  Re: Both would matter...

PHDram83December 05, 2018 08:09AM

  Re: i think you may be correct

AlbaNY_Ram121December 05, 2018 08:40AM

  Re: i think you may be correct

PHDram125December 05, 2018 08:49AM

  Re: i think you may be correct

AlbaNY_Ram117December 05, 2018 09:02AM

  Here ya go: redzone TDs per game

AlbaNY_Ram120December 05, 2018 09:00AM

  Re: Here ya go: redzone TDs per game

Rams4372December 05, 2018 09:03AM

  Re: Here you go...(Scoring rank, RZ attempts, and RZ TD rate)

dzrams160December 05, 2018 09:07AM

  I added a 4th column: RZ TDs per game

AlbaNY_Ram87December 05, 2018 09:17AM

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dzrams98December 05, 2018 07:59AM

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PHDram82December 05, 2018 08:08AM

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dzrams103December 05, 2018 08:33AM

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PHDram97December 05, 2018 10:44AM

  Last 5 Super Bowl participants...

jemach157December 05, 2018 07:46AM

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PHDram103December 05, 2018 08:22AM

  I believe Denver and Seattle...

jemach92December 05, 2018 08:27AM

  Re: I believe Denver and Seattle...

PHDram90December 05, 2018 08:53AM