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Re: Here's how I break it down and defend him.

November 20, 2018 12:09PM
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Saguaro
What is conventional wisdom in that situation?

Run the ball, even if for little or no yardage, make the other team use their timeouts to stop the clock, kick it to them with minimal time left.

Of course, the other team is expecting that, so they're playing the run hard. It's not going to be easy to get a 1st down, especially if the back is being extra careful to keep a firm grip on the ball.

There was about 2:18 left (I'm going strictly by memory here, I'm not sure that's quite correct, but I believe I'm close.)
Chiefs had all three timeouts. That I know.

So let's say McVay follows conventional doctrine here. What happens?

Run the ball on 1st down - how long does that take? 5 seconds - Time out immediately by Chiefs - 2:13 left.
Run the ball on 2nd down - 5 seconds - immediate timeout by Chiefs - 2:08 left.
Run the ball on 3rd down - 5 seconds - immediate timeout by Chiefs - 2:03 left.

Unless you've been able to run for a 1st down, now you're punting. Chiefs don't have a timeout left, but they've got two minutes. With the two minute warning, they can plot and the clock won't start running until they snap the ball again.

With two minutes left, and only needing a field goal, do they need those timeouts? Not if they can execute, which they have been doing with ease!

So given all of the above, McVay decided to defy conventional wisdom, because frankly, following it doesn't really cement the win at all, IMO.

Instead, he decides that the BEST way for the Rams to get this victory and ice it is to get another 1st down.

And with the Chiefs playing run defense, the BEST and safest way to do that is with short passes.
In his calculation, that gave the Rams a better chance of winning than running the ball.

And once you commit to that, you do it, even if it went wrong on 2nd down, where the Chief made a great leaping bat at the ball.
You don't get cold feet, and go back to the run after it's too late.

As it turned out, that didn't work, and they had to give the ball back to the Chiefs anyway. And the defense came through for them.

So now everyone can 2nd guess McVay and suggest that he needs to learn, etc. As if he doesn't even know yet what most coaches would have done, and needs someone to explain it to him.

Neither running nor passing was a sure path to victory. He decided that passing (with the element of surprise) gave them the best chance.

I'm not gonna say he was wrong.

JMO, YMMV.

There was only 1:35 left iirc.... either way though, I don't mind trying to throw it to win it, like you said, but I think the false start kinda threw us off and got us off track.



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  McVay Mindset with less than 2 mins in 4th

RinconRam677November 20, 2018 11:33AM

  I was thinking McVay should call ONE pass

NewMexicoRam258November 20, 2018 11:38AM

  Re: brain fart

BumRap250November 20, 2018 11:39AM

  Re: brain fart

RinconRam180November 20, 2018 11:53AM

  I dont think so

PHDram156November 20, 2018 11:57AM

  But...the plays called were head scratchers...

jemach129November 20, 2018 01:29PM

  the false start to start the drive was a killer....

Rampage2K-318November 20, 2018 12:00PM

  Re: 2nd week in a row dead giveaway a passs was coming nm

Speed_Kills146November 20, 2018 12:38PM

  Here's how I break it down and defend him.

Saguaro204November 20, 2018 12:05PM

  Re: Here's how I break it down and defend him.

Rampage2K-213November 20, 2018 12:09PM

  Re: Great post...

dzrams328November 20, 2018 12:11PM

  Re: Here's how I break it down and defend him.

RinconRam124November 20, 2018 12:58PM

  Re: Here's how I break it down and defend him.

ramBRO149November 20, 2018 12:59PM

  2:10, :09, 1:37, and 1:28

PHDram467November 20, 2018 01:11PM

  Once again...it wasn't passing that was the issue....for me...

jemach316November 20, 2018 01:50PM

  Re: Once again...it wasn't passing that was the issue....for me...

PHDram245November 20, 2018 03:14PM

  Yup. The ONLY real problem I have with those plays....

Suh-weet!141November 20, 2018 03:35PM

  Idiotic play calling

reggae141November 20, 2018 01:36PM

  But if you go back and look at the plays called after 1st down...

jemach162November 20, 2018 01:45PM

  You want quick, short passes...

Saguaro156November 20, 2018 02:02PM

  Weren't the formations tight?

jemach127November 20, 2018 02:07PM

  Disagree

Suh-weet!118November 20, 2018 03:39PM

  You can't say we would definitely have gotten stonewalled...

jemach139November 21, 2018 05:26AM

  they were throwing to that big receiver on 2nd down

21Dog343November 21, 2018 05:39AM

  That's exactly the point

Suh-weet!114November 21, 2018 05:49AM

  Yet...

jemach112November 21, 2018 05:54AM

  no you cant but

PHDram185November 21, 2018 06:31AM

  4 drives with TDs in under 4 plays.

alyoshamucci165November 20, 2018 02:36PM

  now we know, Gurley was hurt

ferragamo79154November 20, 2018 02:36PM

  Re: now we know, Gurley was hurt

RinconRam127November 21, 2018 05:56AM

  Re: Fish would have run the ball 3x

merlin147November 20, 2018 03:47PM

  because punting the ball away and letting the other team win

Rams_81141November 21, 2018 02:50AM

  Well...we went 3 and out so what's the difference?

jemach140November 21, 2018 05:51AM

  Agreed. (nm)

JamesJM81November 21, 2018 06:01AM

  that's where that strategy really failed

21Dog112November 21, 2018 06:06AM

  Didn't work doesn't mean it was bad strategy

Suh-weet!121November 21, 2018 06:15AM

  Well, I guess I would say...

jemach77November 21, 2018 09:47AM

  because the Rams played defense different

Rams_81108November 21, 2018 10:09AM

  In McVay's own words (from his presser)

AlbaNY_Ram151November 21, 2018 05:22AM

  Re: In McVay's own words (from his presser) ALL THAT MATTERS

Rampage2K-132November 21, 2018 08:06AM

  The issue IMO isn't strategy

zn161November 21, 2018 05:26AM

  Good stuff, zn..

sstrams126November 21, 2018 05:36AM

  Well put...

jemach117November 21, 2018 05:57AM

  If you've been paying attention . . .

LBRamsFan159November 21, 2018 08:33AM

  My preference in that situation...

L.A.Rams126November 21, 2018 08:40AM