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Re: nope, I looked at the results...one comment held up another didn't

November 16, 2018 07:02PM
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When he said it was an organizational failure, he apparently silently recanted on that, because he did keep Snead and that has been shown to be a wise decision, especially since Snead was one of the reasons they had talent on hand in the first place. So that comment did not hold up. He never acted on it and that was the smart decision.


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Nope. That’s just your interpretation of what he meant by an organizational fail.

My interpretation is that Fisher was the organizational fail, and that no recant was made, silent or announced.

If there was anything that was apparent it was that Demoff recognized that Fisher was the fail, and that Snead was not part of the fail. And this was proven by Snead’s recent results.

Except he said it was not just Fisher, it was an organizational fail beyond that. That's the comment that does not hold up.

If what he meant was only Fisher, then, since he fired Fisher, there would be nothing to debate.

But he made that comment to indicate he thought it was more than Fisher. He directly said that: "It’s unfortunate for him today because this is an organizational failure,” Demoff said. “I think when you stand up here, any time you let a coach go, we all have to take a look in the mirror. It’s not just about the head coach and the coaching staff. We have to improve across the board, from personnel to operations to everything.”

So that's how he meant it, on Dec. 12th. See this is what I meant. THAT, what he ACTUALLY said (which is how I thought you took it too) did not hold up. They did not alter or re-structure the organization (a few scouts were replaced). Organizational change means the GM. The major figures are still there and they did not change how they approach team management. I just think on 12/12 Demoff was speaking from the moment. But as his own actions show, he wasn't right about that, and later did not act the way he was talking on 12/12. So that comment does not hold up.

When later in January he said this team was not a rebuild, he WAS right about that. It held up, it still holds up. Players were added (key players in fact) but they were added around an intact core of talent.

And besides, as I said, none of this has anything to do with what I was initially talking about. I was simply disputing Cowherd's claim that McV proves you can expect overnight turnarounds and don't have to wait for years to turn a team around. To me that comment just fails to account for the fact that you can't have an overnight turnaround without there being talent in place. If the coach alone guaranteed that, then, we would have seen overnight, 1-year turnarounds from the likes of Walsh, Noll, Landry, Gibbs, Bellichick, Vermeil, etc. No matter how great the coach is he either has to inherit a team that has enough talent to take off, or rebuild. In both cases Cowherd's assumption is just wrong. History doesn't back it.

Again it's wrong in 2 ways. Great coaches HAVE had to rebuild and didn't do it overnight. And great coaches have turned it around overnight, but only if they did not have to do a massive rebuild--they had enough talent TO turn it around.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/16/2018 07:06PM by zn.
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  Is anybody else getting uneasy about other fans

RamUK1035November 16, 2018 10:42AM

  Re: Is anybody else getting uneasy about other fans

Rampage2K-340November 16, 2018 10:45AM

  Agreed. Did u hear McVay when he was asked

stlramz302November 16, 2018 12:47PM

  Re: Is anybody else getting uneasy about other fans

stlurams205November 16, 2018 01:55PM

  Re: Is anybody else getting uneasy about other fans

zn339November 16, 2018 10:47AM

  Cowherd said McVay is going to get a lot of coaches fired

Rampage2K-343November 16, 2018 10:53AM

  Re: Cowherd said McVay is going to get a lot of coaches fired

MamaRAMa240November 16, 2018 11:03AM

  Re: Cowherd said McVay is going to get a lot of coaches fired

Rampage2K-267November 16, 2018 11:14AM

  depends on what he means

zn200November 16, 2018 11:14AM

  Re: depends on what he means

Rampage2K-182November 16, 2018 11:24AM

  wasn't talking about that

zn162November 16, 2018 11:33AM

  Re: wasn't talking about that

Rampage2K-158November 16, 2018 11:47AM

  those have happened

zn279November 16, 2018 12:36PM

  Re: those have happened

Rampage2K-159November 16, 2018 12:47PM

  Re: those have happened

zn156November 16, 2018 01:56PM

  Re: wasn't talking about that

stlramz146November 16, 2018 01:52PM

  Utterly underestimates what McVay has done

RamUK253November 16, 2018 11:32AM

  not even a tiny bit

zn215November 16, 2018 11:35AM

  Mike Smith inherited a dumpster fire in Atlanta

RamUK193November 16, 2018 02:50PM

  don't agree with the example

zn188November 16, 2018 04:27PM

  it wasn’t a rebuild, it WAS an organizational fail (Fisher)

max165November 16, 2018 01:51PM

  confusion

zn175November 16, 2018 02:03PM

  Looks like you're cherry picking

max254November 16, 2018 04:27PM

  nope, I looked at the results...one comment held up another didn't

zn340November 16, 2018 05:01PM

  Re: nope, I looked at the results...one comment held up another didn't

max746November 16, 2018 06:10PM

  Re: nope, I looked at the results...one comment held up another didn't

zn786November 16, 2018 07:02PM

  Curious: what team has no talent?

stlramz177November 17, 2018 03:53AM

  if that were the case

zn152November 17, 2018 04:36AM

  Objection! Non responsive. Move to strike.

stlramz155November 17, 2018 03:06PM

  Not really the right question

zn153November 17, 2018 03:41PM

  its my question.

stlramz146November 17, 2018 07:39PM

  I think you switched the thing up

zn151November 17, 2018 08:15PM

  Let me know when your done editing

stlramz151November 17, 2018 08:22PM

  Re: Let me know when your done editing

zn187November 17, 2018 08:28PM

  Seriously? Your title wasn’t personal?

stlramz145November 17, 2018 08:40PM

  Re: Seriously? Your title wasn’t personal?

zn288November 17, 2018 08:45PM

  Re: Seriously? Your title wasn’t personal?

stlramz147November 17, 2018 08:48PM

  Fair enough (nm)

zn195November 17, 2018 08:50PM

  Re: Exactly!

dzrams174November 17, 2018 09:27AM

  Re: Exactly!

zn143November 17, 2018 10:21AM

  Re: Exactly!

dzrams169November 17, 2018 04:14PM

  Re: Exactly!

zn174November 17, 2018 05:08PM

  Less about personnel vs getting players to play better

Rams_81173November 19, 2018 02:48AM

  Re: Here is what "hiring the next McVay" means....

dzrams227November 16, 2018 02:57PM

  Re: Here is what "hiring the next McVay" means....

zn186November 16, 2018 04:09PM

  Re: Here is what "hiring the next McVay" means....

dzrams135November 16, 2018 04:48PM

  Re: Here is what "hiring the next McVay" means....

zn140November 16, 2018 05:19PM

  Ted Marchiroda did

SUretHing183November 16, 2018 04:17PM

  don't agree, not if you look closer

zn169November 16, 2018 04:51PM

  It is about how coaching can get players to play better

Rams_81150November 19, 2018 02:45AM

  Martz proves that it is never just the coach

zn271November 19, 2018 02:59AM

  Every team looked for the next Brady and Bellicheck.

RockRam270November 16, 2018 12:01PM

  Here is the video of Cowherd on McVay

Rampage2K-224November 16, 2018 05:19PM

  LOL...I find the thought another team is go to snatch him from us funny....

jemach199November 17, 2018 06:21AM

  I'll catch H*** for this but.......

Ramgator285November 16, 2018 12:49PM

  Then I jumped the gun....

JamesJM234November 16, 2018 12:55PM

  Re: I'll catch H*** for this but.......

bigjimram21149November 17, 2018 09:59AM

  Lol there's almost zero chance Mcvay leaves

Ram_Ruler178November 16, 2018 01:15PM

  Vision

Old Goat166November 16, 2018 05:00PM

  Great coaches spawn great results

SUretHing221November 16, 2018 05:28PM

  for me it is cause and effect Martz and McVay

Rams_81204November 18, 2018 12:28PM