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Re: "Once again?"....for the 2nd time I ask...

January 08, 2018 03:48PM
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9er8er
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dzrams
What are you referring to?

You keep stating that Watkins hasn't been productive in his career.

My question is, which year are you referring to? 2014 and 2015 where he essentially had 1000 yard seasons with 15 TDs in that period?

Or 2016 where he had 430 yards in half a season?

Or this year where he scored 8 TDs?

Let me know so I can follow along because right now, I'm not seeing what you're selling.

Productive is a relative term. Productive compared to what? To anywhere close to his expectations? No, never. Productive compared to say, the rookie 3rd round draft pick Cooper Kupp? Sure, that's happened.

His first two seasons in Buffalo they forced him the ball A LOT. He was targeted about 220 times over those two seasons. But not a lot of production still relative to all that attention.

He's no longer in that state where he's the team's franchise player because they traded 2 first round and a fourth round pick to move up to draft him 4th overall. Now he has to actually earn his targets. That team tried and gave up. The Rams are trying now but not with great success. Some, sure, because he does one or two things pretty well. He uses his size and strength to catch quick slants near the goal line well. And the Rams utilized it and he scored 8 TD's largely because of it. But this reminds me of those attempting to justify the Austin extension because the previous regime designed some specific plays for him to score TD's and he scored 10 of them. Super productive player that demanded a lot of money and attention, right? Yeah, not right. They found a way to use him in limited situations. That's all.

As I've said many times before, if your argument is he can put up pretty ordinary numbers overall, then sure, that's productive. But right now he's the 3rd best WR on the Rams, he's been unexceptional throughout his career and that's been true over 2 teams, a couple offenses and a few QB's. It's just....true.

You're doing way too much unnecessary contortions to explain away objectively productive career numbers.

1000 yard seasons are good and productive by every objective measure and it's been that way since the game of football began.

I will grant this, his career production is less than what was expected but he's still been productive. That just...true.

You may minimize that he demands attention but you would just be...wrong. At least according to the HC.

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It sounds cliché, but when you have a player like him, he does often dictate and determine coverage,” McVay said. “He was productive for our offense and that isn’t exclusive to just looking at his catches, his touchdowns, and his yardage. That’s what he did without the ball, how he affects the defense, and then what that does to open up some people around him.”

Watkins Hopes to Stay in 2018

You assert that they found a way to use him in limited situations and try to make it sound as if they had to make do with his severely limited skill set. That's also just...wrong. At least according to the HC.


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But I think as you get into being around players for another year, absolutely we feel like we can figure out a way [where] I think we can use him better,” McVay continued. “I have to do a better job of utilizing his skill set.”"]
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Gurley 14 rushes; Goff 45 passes

Ram49758January 06, 2018 06:44PM

  Have to disagree

RFIP474January 06, 2018 06:49PM

  I don't say this often

Deadpool361January 06, 2018 06:54PM

  they gave up almost 400 yards

ferragamo79441January 06, 2018 06:59PM

  DBs were great, but gave up lots of yards

Ram49323January 06, 2018 07:07PM

  Watkins

RFIP284January 06, 2018 07:17PM

  Re: Watkins

SUretHing353January 06, 2018 07:22PM

  Re: No.

dzrams214January 06, 2018 07:38PM

  Then you believe

SUretHing219January 06, 2018 07:39PM

  Re: Wrong again...

dzrams217January 06, 2018 07:48PM

  Re: Wrong again...

SUretHing154January 06, 2018 07:52PM

  Re: Wrong again...

SUretHing208January 06, 2018 07:52PM

  Re: I feel like I answered that in that post...nm

dzrams208January 06, 2018 07:54PM

  Re: I feel like I answered that in that post...nm

SUretHing197January 06, 2018 07:56PM

  Re: FWIW...

dzrams217January 06, 2018 07:57PM

  Re: FWIW...

SUretHing230January 06, 2018 08:01PM

  Re: FWIW...

dzrams197January 06, 2018 08:06PM

  Re: FWIW...

SUretHing199January 06, 2018 08:12PM

  Re: FWIW...

Blue and Gold189January 06, 2018 08:23PM

  Re: And I'm fine with that...

dzrams194January 06, 2018 08:30PM

  I agree

Blue and Gold204January 06, 2018 08:49PM

  Re: yup

Speed_Kills232January 07, 2018 03:20AM

  Good observation...

jemach212January 06, 2018 07:32PM

  Yes he did

RFIP220January 06, 2018 07:35PM

  Watkins plays soft

SUretHing227January 06, 2018 07:38PM

  OK we are done here...nm

RFIP174January 06, 2018 07:41PM

  Watkins doesn't seem to fit any game

9er8er329January 06, 2018 08:01PM

  Let's see

RFIP222January 07, 2018 03:40AM

  And Woods excelled this year

9er8er165January 08, 2018 02:14PM

  Re: Nah that's only partially true...

laram197January 08, 2018 02:49PM

  Re: "Once again?"....for the 2nd time I ask...

dzrams199January 08, 2018 03:00PM

  Re: "Once again?"....for the 2nd time I ask...

9er8er183January 08, 2018 03:20PM

  I’ve gotta say that 9er8er is making some solid points about Watkins.

Rams43179January 08, 2018 03:35PM

  Re:No he's not...

laram185January 08, 2018 03:41PM

  Re: Re:No he's not...

Rams43179January 08, 2018 03:44PM

  Re: Not at all...

laram190January 08, 2018 03:50PM

  Re: No he's not...See what McVay said below...

dzrams169January 08, 2018 03:51PM

  Re: "Once again?"....for the 2nd time I ask...

dzrams145January 08, 2018 03:48PM

  Objectively productive "career" numbers, eh?

9er8er366January 08, 2018 04:34PM

  Re: Forget Britt, What about Adams?

dzrams195January 08, 2018 05:17PM

  Re: Watkins

Rams43323January 06, 2018 07:36PM

  Yes but

RFIP219January 06, 2018 07:38PM

  Re: we need more from our other WRs

Speed_Kills219January 06, 2018 07:16PM

  For sure

RFIP241January 06, 2018 07:19PM

  Or is it?

SUretHing209January 06, 2018 07:21PM

  Re: Or is it?

RFIP212January 06, 2018 07:23PM

  Re: Or is it?

Speed_Kills164January 06, 2018 07:25PM

  This will be unpopular but

RFIP218January 06, 2018 07:29PM

  Reality

SUretHing187January 06, 2018 07:26PM

  So to sum it up..

sacram212January 06, 2018 07:27PM

  No

RFIP298January 06, 2018 07:30PM

  Yeah that....

sacram186January 06, 2018 07:33PM

  Re: Yeah that....

Suh-weet!175January 06, 2018 07:40PM

  Re: No

RamsFanSinceLA161January 08, 2018 12:59PM

  Re: You're nailing it tonight....

dzrams193January 06, 2018 08:03PM

  Yep makes sense..

sacram208January 06, 2018 08:22PM

  Re: Yep makes sense..

dzrams247January 06, 2018 08:37PM

  Thats fair...

sacram189January 06, 2018 08:41PM

  Re: no doubt on the bright futures! Nm

dzrams173January 06, 2018 09:03PM

  Kupp had 8 catches for 89 yards and a TD

9er8er240January 06, 2018 07:24PM

  Re: I didnt realize he had that many yards

Speed_Kills185January 06, 2018 07:28PM

  Re: I didnt realize he had that many yards

moklerman193January 08, 2018 02:32PM

  Re: Have to disagree

k3262January 06, 2018 08:40PM

  Copy that. nm

GlacieRam363January 06, 2018 07:24PM