November 10, 2017 07:09AM
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RockRam
That's really the point, isn't it? .

No one is disputing the fact that he's influential.

We're saying that it's not a good thing because his influence led the league in some dubious directions.

I don't care that he was influential as much as I care that it was not a GOOD influence.

That's the beef.

You beat me to it, ZN.

Was the influence beneficial? Was it negative? Or worse? Everyone knows people who are highly influential -- directly and indirectly -- but in destructive ways. And any study of history brings that to the fore as well. Positive and negative, etc. etc.

The HOF, which is a secondary issue here, of course, should require extraordinarily positive influence, IMO. To me, that's just common sense.

Regardless, this is a tough topic for a lot of people. I just wish the prevailing orthodoxy would chill and open things up to all views, without the intense anger that, at times, boils over into much worse. No way to bridge divides as long as some folks say "My way or the highway."
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  Jerry Jones hires lawyer to oust Roger Goodell.

Rams43843November 08, 2017 01:48PM

  Wow.

ArizonaRamFan300November 08, 2017 01:53PM

  At first glance

waterfield343November 08, 2017 02:04PM

  Goodell has botched more than one thing...

max483November 08, 2017 02:10PM

  Re: Goodell has botched more than one thing...

dzrams225November 08, 2017 02:16PM

  No. The rule was in place as early as 2001

max221November 08, 2017 02:30PM

  Good. Good bye to Goodell.

NewMexicoRam396November 08, 2017 02:50PM

  Good for Jones. Somebody needs to stop Goodell

RockRam289November 08, 2017 04:10PM

  Re: Good for Jones. Somebody needs to stop Goodell

waterfield235November 08, 2017 04:48PM

  Re: Good for Jones. Somebody needs to stop Goodell

max229November 09, 2017 02:43AM

  Papa Johns has pulled ads...

jemach212November 09, 2017 03:36AM

  Re: Papa Johns has pulled ads...Jerry Jones is largest franchisee

Rampage2K-248November 09, 2017 09:13AM

  Exactly. Vin Scully said for the record that he will NEVER watch an NFL game again

RockRam260November 09, 2017 03:47AM

  My point in this discussion

waterfield212November 09, 2017 07:40AM

  Yep. They're still making gobs of money.

Billy_T216November 09, 2017 01:27PM

  And I just bought a brand new Goodell jersey!!!!

RamFanEsq198November 09, 2017 07:45AM

  HAHAHAHAH!!! NM.

Saguaro155November 09, 2017 09:03AM

  Polian says Jones going about this the wrong way....

Rampage2K-273November 09, 2017 09:17AM

  Re: Polian says Jones going about this the wrong way....

stlramz223November 09, 2017 12:36PM

  Re: Polian says Jones going about this the wrong way....

zn388November 09, 2017 02:10PM

  Do you remember the Merchandising suit?

stlramz187November 09, 2017 07:47PM

  Re: Do you remember the Merchandising suit?

zn265November 10, 2017 06:43AM

  BS. Jones and Kraft among the most influential owners.

RockRam228November 09, 2017 02:28PM

  Re: BS. Jones and Kraft among the most influential owners.

zn226November 09, 2017 02:31PM

  Jerry Jones is way more instrumental than Goodell...

jemach183November 09, 2017 03:41PM

  Re: Jerry Jones is way more instrumental than Goodell...

zn233November 09, 2017 03:58PM

  The demise the league faces has zero to do with Jones...

jemach344November 09, 2017 04:39PM

  Re: Jerry Jones is way more instrumental than Goodell...

Billy_T204November 09, 2017 05:20PM

  Why on earth is he in the HOF?

Billy_T203November 09, 2017 05:05PM

  It simply proves his tremendous influence on the League

RockRam201November 10, 2017 06:17AM

  Re: It simply proves his tremendous influence on the League

zn173November 10, 2017 06:30AM

  Re: It simply proves his tremendous influence on the League

Billy_T186November 10, 2017 07:09AM

  Re: It simply proves his tremendous influence on the League

waterfield256November 10, 2017 07:24AM

  Re: It simply proves his tremendous influence on the League

Speedball89177November 10, 2017 09:40AM

  Re: BS. Jones and Kraft among the most influential owners.

VANRAM180November 10, 2017 10:56AM

  Re: BS. Jones and Kraft among the most influential owners.

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