September 21, 2016 09:03PM
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Saguaro
I tried. I tried as this offseason progressed to take the medium optimistic approach. Nothing wild, just give Fisher and his staff the benefit of the doubt. Make a case for myself and others that they can be better this year.

And I just can't believe it myself anymore and certainly don't feel like convincing anyone else.

You've just pointed out some serious futility, max.

Does anyone else see a possible connection between the way JF refused to bring in competing QB talent for so long, and the way he refused to bring in an experienced OC to challenge their current offensive approach?

Sunday's win was a triumph of defensive will against an arch rival. But even in a win, the offense continued to extend it's streak of pathetic ineptitude.

Yeah, I think Gurley is frustrated. And it's stifling his natural RB creativity.

I think Boras is at least as not ready as Goff is.

And I think Keenum is at his ceiling. He's a try hard, good guy, but he's just not an NFL starter, and maybe an emergency backup at best.

And it's crazy that Snead makes a statement like he did about making the playoffs the last two years if only Keenum was their QB. That's crazy talk.

Somewhere, somehow, this entire staff and GM have become unmoored from the rest of the NFL world's concept of offense.
Offensive strategy, offensive schemes, offensive variety, offensive personnel, offensive competence. Just. Not. There.

And they can't admit to themselves, that THEY are the problem. So they keep trying to cajole the players that they've stuck themselves with, and they keep trying to fend off the media, and they keep saying things like "we need to work harder", when they're just screwing it into the ground harder and harder.

How can Kroenke even consider rewarding this with an extension? How, I ask you?

A lot of that stuff is speculative and of course I don't agree with it. A lot of it is interpretation and I don't agree with that aspect of it either. Probably not any of it. It just sounds like the dark side after 1 1/2 frustrating games (because Seattle was not entirely frustrating). I don't agree with how the narrative is put together, I don't agree with any of the points being made. I can (and do) see entirely different ways of taking the entire thing.

Not fighting. Just reinforcing the fact that different people see all this differently.

One thing I will comment on:

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And I think Keenum is at his ceiling. He's a try hard, good guy, but he's just not an NFL starter, and maybe an emergency backup at best.

Well I don't think anyone has ever described him as starting caliber, but at the same time---we have seen his ceiling and it is higher than the SF game anyway. Maybe he regressed but I doubt that too. In fact I think he's getting back to his actual ceiling and Seattle wasn;t it yet.

Again not fighting. Not trying to talk you into anything. Not trying to win anything. Going back and forth on this in fact would just be tiring right now.

Again just offering a different view.
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  Keenum has now gone 14 quarters w/o a TD pass.

max1045September 21, 2016 02:56PM

  Re: Keenum has now gone 14 quarters w/o a TD pass.

moklerman483September 21, 2016 03:03PM

  lol .nm

ArizonaRamFan643September 21, 2016 03:09PM

  hehe, ok, lets explore that...

JamesJM610September 21, 2016 03:09PM

  no you;re just right IMO

zn496September 21, 2016 03:19PM

  Re: the QBs in Dallas and Philly also have to do those things

Speed_Kills449September 21, 2016 04:05PM

  not really

zn462September 21, 2016 05:29PM

  Re: yes really

Speed_Kills392September 22, 2016 11:03AM

  Re: yes really

zn379September 22, 2016 02:56PM

  Re: yes really

waterfield356September 23, 2016 12:04PM

  Have you considered shock therapy?

JamesJM399September 23, 2016 12:51PM

  Re: hehe, ok, lets explore that...

moklerman639September 21, 2016 03:27PM

  I agree with you...

max438September 21, 2016 03:36PM

  There's a 3rd option Max (and maybe even more than that.

RamUK476September 21, 2016 05:09PM

  Ok, but think of it this way...

JamesJM334September 21, 2016 04:03PM

  Yeah, but if this keep up, then who plays?

max425September 21, 2016 03:28PM

  Re: so scale it back for him

Speed_Kills381September 21, 2016 04:03PM

  Re: so scale it back for him

zn521September 21, 2016 04:11PM

  Re: why what? Nm

Speed_Kills396September 21, 2016 04:15PM

  Re: why what? Nm

zn427September 21, 2016 04:58PM

  Re: Because after two games

Speed_Kills544September 21, 2016 05:47PM

  Re: Because after two games

zn452September 21, 2016 06:49PM

  There are things Keenum knows that Goff is probably still learning

LesBaker345September 22, 2016 08:25AM

  Re: why what? Nm

bigjimram21372September 21, 2016 07:54PM

  yes...

wv ram355September 22, 2016 08:18AM

  Re: yes...

zn404September 25, 2016 03:58AM

  Re: Keenum has now gone 14 quarters w/o a TD pass.

max401September 21, 2016 03:24PM

  Yup!

Suh-weet!413September 21, 2016 04:26PM

  I think it's actually a good thing ...

alyoshamucci518September 21, 2016 05:21PM

  Re: I think it's actually a good thing ...

zn445September 21, 2016 09:07PM

  Indeed

Suh-weet!401September 23, 2016 11:23AM

  It's madness. Attachments

Saguaro451September 21, 2016 08:31PM

  Re: It's madness.

zn434September 21, 2016 09:03PM

  Re: It's madness.

dodgerram431September 21, 2016 09:17PM

  Re: It's madness.

zn445September 21, 2016 09:39PM

  Re: It's madness.

dodgerram527September 21, 2016 10:41PM

  They put a 1st round tender on Keenum..

max486September 22, 2016 01:39AM

  well, no

zn424September 22, 2016 04:06AM

  ++1

dodgerram374September 21, 2016 09:19PM

  Logically....

JamesJM397September 22, 2016 06:20AM

  Does it really, truly...

Suh-weet!386September 23, 2016 11:27AM

  You're changing Snead's statement. Why?

Saguaro325September 23, 2016 12:46PM

  Oh good grief, Sag...

Suh-weet!570September 23, 2016 01:09PM

  Suh-weet, I think they should have done their utmost to upgrade the offense.

Saguaro495September 23, 2016 05:38PM

  You crushed that one, my friend....

Guard491September 23, 2016 06:33PM

  Thx, but i'm just coming back to your well-grounded position...

Saguaro411September 23, 2016 06:42PM

  You're always welcome in my Billy-ard Room...

Guard540September 23, 2016 06:56PM

  or swim in the cee-ment pond? nm

21Dog288September 25, 2016 05:48AM

  Keenum has 3rd down conversion rate of 22.2%

max393September 22, 2016 01:52AM

  and it is not June Henley and Ricky Proehl

Rams_81375September 23, 2016 04:11AM

  Keenum threw a TD in his last quarter. Streak at 0.

Ramadune370September 25, 2016 05:17PM