September 10, 2016 11:49AM
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Billy_T
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Suh-weet!
Obviously he would have been worth trading up for.

TA is "undersized." I personally think he was worth trading up for, though you may well disagree. I think/hope he'll put that *debate* to rest.

Barron is "undersized" for his position.

Ogletree is a converted safety and "undersized" for MLB.

The business about not trading up makes no sense to me. If we agree that "undersized" players can be good, even great, then they're surely worth trading up for - IF you hit on the pick. And players that turn out average or worse are not worth trading up for, undersized or not.

But Donald is also incredibly athletic for a DT. He ran under 4.7 in the forty, for instance.

Pre-draft measurables Ht Wt Arm length Hand size 40-yd dash 10-yd split 20-yd split 20-ss 3-cone Vert Broad BP
6 ft 0 3⁄4 in 285 lb 32 5⁄8 in 9 7⁄8 in 4.68 s 1.59 s 3.21 s 4.39 s 7.11 s 32 in 9 ft 8 in 35 reps



Here are Joyner's measurables.

Pre-draft measurables Ht Wt Arm length Hand size 40-yd dash 10-yd split 20-yd split 20-ss 3-cone Vert Broad BP Wonderlic
5 ft 8 in 184 lb 31 1⁄2 in 9 1⁄2 in 4.55 s 1.59 s 2.59 s 4.40 s 7.26 s 37½ in 10 ft 4 in 14 reps x
All values from NFL Combine[7]

Not a good forty, or short shuttle or 3cone for a DB of his size. He did do well with the vert and broad. Both of those are good marks. But, overall, if you go small at DB, he should be a burner.

Teams knew how athletic Donald was before the draft. They saw his phenomenal tape: 11 sacks TWICE as a DT in a major conference; major awards out the wazoo... He fell to the Rams at #14 because he was "undersized." A whole bunch of teams now wish they had moved up to get him, and had the Rams moved up, say, to #9 or #7 to get him that year some people would have yelped in protest.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  I'd cut Joyner now

reggae1371September 09, 2016 04:21PM

  Re: Never liked the pick. Too early for a nickel.

Billy_T567September 09, 2016 05:23PM

  Good post

TonyHunter87489September 09, 2016 08:17PM

  As bad as the Pead gaffe..

max622September 10, 2016 04:00AM

  Re: As bad as the Pead gaffe..

GreatRamNTheSky689September 10, 2016 04:11AM

  Re: As bad as the Pead gaffe..

max987September 10, 2016 04:22AM

  Re: As bad as the Pead gaffe.

stlramz438September 10, 2016 04:57AM

  Re: As bad as the Pead gaffe.

SoCalRAMatic581September 10, 2016 05:07AM

  Re: As bad as the Pead gaffe.

oldmanram487September 10, 2016 05:22AM

  Re: As bad as the Pead gaffe..

Rams43570September 10, 2016 06:52AM

  Fisher was he one that traded up for Joyner..

PaulButcher59539September 10, 2016 07:23AM

  Re: Fisher was he one that traded up for Joyner..

Rams43370September 10, 2016 07:29AM

  That's a fair rebuttal, you changed my mind to that extent...

max379September 10, 2016 07:27AM

  Re: That's a fair rebuttal, you changed my mind to that extent...

Rams43357September 10, 2016 07:31AM

  GRob was a bad pick too

9er8er468September 10, 2016 07:55AM

  Re: GRob was a bad pick too

max394September 10, 2016 08:24AM

  Re: GRob was a bad pick too

dzrams384September 10, 2016 08:38AM

  I completely agree about strategy

9er8er487September 10, 2016 09:04AM

  Re: I completely agree about strategy

dzrams482September 10, 2016 09:10AM

  Re: I completely agree about strategy

SoCalRAMatic533September 10, 2016 09:41AM

  Re: I completely agree about strategy

dzrams313September 10, 2016 10:10AM

  Re: Yep. I wanted them to draft Allen Robinson too.

Billy_T298September 10, 2016 08:28AM

  Nah..Rams need him..

PaulButcher59407September 10, 2016 05:33AM

  Rams need a good DB, not necessary Joyner...

max529September 10, 2016 06:05AM

  Re: Rams need a good DB, not necessary Joyner...

zn386September 10, 2016 06:42AM

  Joyner was a good idea IMO

zn554September 10, 2016 05:35AM

  Hurray, ZN!

Suh-weet!511September 10, 2016 06:00AM

  Re: Joyner is a little stick of dynamite.

oldschoolramfan456September 10, 2016 06:33AM

  He got beat like a drum last year and in PS this year...

max434September 10, 2016 06:47AM

  Re: He got beat like a drum last year and in PS this year...

oldschoolramfan385September 10, 2016 06:55AM

  Overall Snead has been just fine...

max362September 10, 2016 06:46AM

  Donald is pretty "undersized"

Suh-weet!368September 10, 2016 07:24AM

  And they got hims without trading up. (nm)

max344September 10, 2016 07:30AM

  So he would NOT have been worth trading up for?

Suh-weet!358September 10, 2016 07:32AM

  Re: So he would NOT have been worth trading up for?

max365September 10, 2016 07:44AM

  No, the POINT is...

Suh-weet!362September 10, 2016 09:54AM

  Re: Donald is pretty "undersized"

Billy_T353September 10, 2016 08:37AM

  Re: Donald is pretty "undersized"

Suh-weet!363September 10, 2016 11:49AM

  They haven't been fine

9er8er375September 10, 2016 08:13AM

  Compared to who?

max436September 10, 2016 08:31AM

  Oh, are we only talking 2nd round here?

9er8er366September 10, 2016 09:07AM

  Re: Oh, are we only talking 2nd round here?

max418September 10, 2016 10:18AM

  Re: Oh, are we only talking 2nd round here?

dzrams421September 10, 2016 10:45AM

  Re: Oh, are we only talking 2nd round here?

Rampage2K-338September 10, 2016 10:54AM

  And who establishes the baseline?

max372September 10, 2016 11:40AM

  Re: And who establishes the baseline?

Suh-weet!363September 10, 2016 11:56AM

  that's easy and it's not "who"

zn442September 11, 2016 07:00AM

  Re: Overall Snead has been just fine...

dzrams359September 10, 2016 08:55AM

  i think drafting has been good

Rams_81382September 10, 2016 10:05AM

  Played 63% of Defensive Snaps.....

RamBill495September 10, 2016 07:17AM

  Re: Played 63% of Defensive Snaps.....

Rampage2K-515September 10, 2016 10:52AM

  we've seen him play

TonyHunter87512September 10, 2016 12:04PM

  Re: we've seen him play

Rampage2K-465September 10, 2016 01:06PM

  Re: we've seen him play

max377September 10, 2016 01:29PM

  Re: we've seen him play

TonyHunter87416September 10, 2016 01:49PM

  Re: we've seen him play

Rampage2K-497September 10, 2016 02:23PM

  Re: Joyner was a good idea IMO

TonyHunter87456September 10, 2016 03:09PM