September 10, 2016 06:46AM | Registered: 14 years ago Posts: 12,232
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Not something I want to spend much time on tho
They spend more time in the nickel than in a base 4/3.
Joyner is a good prospect for the nickel because not only does he cover inside, he is an attack missile hitting, and can blitz.
They clearly targeted a guy for an important role with that particular package of skills.
To me the rush to judgment on him sounds like what we were hearing about McLeod in 2013 and 2014.
This is his third year, let's see how he plays.
If Joyner plays well, which I am predicting he will, Rams will have hit on 60% of their 2nd round picks.
Here's one view of round by round success rates:
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Judging productive players or players who have NFL-caliber traits over the last five or six years [you can expect] a .560 hit percentage for the first and second rounds; .350 for the third, fourth and fifth rounds; and .333 for the sixth and seventh rounds.
One thing I don't generally like that much in draft discussions is just ungrounded declarations about what teams are "supposed to do." Forget the subjective thing...establish some parameters.
If you are doing average/well in the 1st and 2nd rounds with a 56% hit rate, then, the REAL complaint would be that a 60% rate in the second round is no better than average.
Someone personally thinking a 60% rate is abysmal, awful etc is meaningless to me. Do the math and establish parameters. What are the REAL percentages? Personal subjective feeling doesn't count compared to that.
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My point was that I didn't agree with the philosophical approach of trading up for players who are undersized. Now, if they had stayed at 44 instead of trading up 3 spots and giving up a 5th rounder and still got Joyner, then I can live with the pick.
And I'm not sure where you got the 60% rate from.
Here are the Rams 2nd rounder under Fisher/Snead:
Havenstein
Jenkins
Pead
Quick
Joyner
I see 2 out of 5 as good picks. Hav and Jenkins. That's 40%. My guess is that you're counting the guy we are debating should be cut from the team as a success. That's what I call playing games with the numbers to support your subjective views. The very thing you are arguing against.
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